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Re: WARNING WARNING STAY AWAY FROM SIRBOBET ARBITRAGE SCAM!!!!

Thu Apr 03, 2014 12:43 pm

Diakon wrote: i think there is one big question for sirbobet, and that is why we must withdraw all additional money via Bank transfer and not original deposit method - (skrill, neteller)?

Can you please answer this question?
I made this question twice in this thread and it looks like they dont like to answer it.... Tricky terms and conditions....
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Re: WARNING WARNING STAY AWAY FROM SIRBOBET ARBITRAGE SCAM!!!!

Thu Apr 03, 2014 1:04 pm

Diakon wrote: i think there is one big question for sirbobet, and that is why we must withdraw all additional money via Bank transfer and not original deposit method - (skrill, neteller)?

Can you please answer this question?
The only reasonable explanation for that is that they don't hold much funds in the e-wallets and don't have the ability or don't want to keep more funds there. Hence, they prefer to pay only the deposits via the same method (anti-laundering money regulations) and pay the rest via bank transfer.

I had a problem with a bookmaker a few months ago that couldn't pay me via a certain e-wallet and claimed the e-wallet had a technical problem. From inside source at the e-wallet I found out that the bookmaker didn't have any funds in their merchants account! The bookmaker didn't have though any liquidity problem and paid me promptly via bank transfer. 
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Re: WARNING WARNING STAY AWAY FROM SIRBOBET ARBITRAGE SCAM!!!!

Sat Apr 05, 2014 5:36 pm

I decided to take a look at the service as I had also feedback from trusted sources that they are reliable regarding payments.

First of all, the "no limit" project is a myth. They might not limit players in general, but they do have market limits in some cases for all customers.

Default stake limit for in-play is 500 euros. If there is a market limit, you can place 500 euros at a market and then you can't bet again the same bet type even if the odds change.

E.g. (random teams, random example) Verona-Lazio Handicap -1 Verona @ 1,90. You can bet 500 euros at 1,90. If there is a market limit and you try to bet again 500 euros at 1,90 (or any other odds for handicap -1 Verona) you get a "bet not accepted" message. As we all know, the true "non limiting" bookmakers like pinnacle and sbobet let you place indefinite number of bets on a market (adjusting from time to time the odds). That's what "we don't limit players" actually means.

One extra problem is that you don't know which markets have that "market limit". So, you might have a bet placed at another bookie and can't hedge it anymore at sirbo because of this market limit.

The above apply for in-play. I haven't tried yet pre-game bets, but I guess that it's more or less the same attitude.

I'll report again regarding payments when I'll ask for a withdrawal, but that might take a while.
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Re: WARNING WARNING STAY AWAY FROM SIRBOBET ARBITRAGE SCAM!!!!

Sat Apr 05, 2014 6:17 pm

sportoboy wrote: I decided to take a look at the service as I had also feedback from trusted sources that they are reliable regarding payments.

First of all, the "no limit" project is a myth. They might not limit players in general, but they do have market limits in some cases for all customers.

Default stake limit for in-play is 500 euros. If there is a market limit, you can place 500 euros at a market and then you can't bet again the same bet type even if the odds change.

E.g. (random teams, random example) Verona-Lazio Handicap -1 Verona @ 1,90. You can bet 500 euros at 1,90. If there is a market limit and you try to bet again 500 euros at 1,90 (or any other odds for handicap -1 Verona) you get a "bet not accepted" message. As we all know, the true "non limiting" bookmakers like pinnacle and sbobet let you place indefinite number of bets on a market (adjusting from time to time the odds). That's what "we don't limit players" actually means.

One extra problem is that you don't know which markets have that "market limit". So, you might have a bet placed at another bookie and can't hedge it anymore at sirbo because of this market limit.

The above apply for in-play. I haven't tried yet pre-game bets, but I guess that it's more or less the same attitude.

I'll report again regarding payments when I'll ask for a withdrawal, but that might take a while.
Post of 21th century!!! First time i see some really useful and good info in arbusers. All others just try place their tips,promote their services and few others just cross fingers up "We are clever - you not" and no one share useful info.

Of course now many will disagree with me, but in general the situation is that i wrote. No one share useful info - all share general standart phrases!

Thanks again for post!
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Re: WARNING WARNING STAY AWAY FROM SIRBOBET ARBITRAGE SCAM!!!!

Sat Apr 05, 2014 6:24 pm

There are useful info here and there in this forum, especially for newbies. But someone must be able to read between the lines to extract this info. 
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Re: WARNING WARNING STAY AWAY FROM SIRBOBET ARBITRAGE SCAM!!!!

Sat Apr 05, 2014 8:25 pm

Sirbo...
I ll continue from another thread cause i dont want to ruin the betsonfire thread.

You are advertising here http://www.sirbo.gr/gr/news/sigouro%20kerdos/16.html that you you are offering a  65% guaranty net profit for every single month.
So i have available in my bank account right now more than 1 million.
And i am telling you that there is no way that you can guaranty 65% net profit for my deposit.

Also here http://www.sirbo.gr/gr/news/sigouro%20kerdos/9.html you are telling EXCACTLY to people to open 3 accounts and if the names are real is even better...
That means that you are telling that if the accounts are fake its nice.But if the accounts are real its better...

Do you understand what are you advertising?You are advertising to people to break the law...


Finally i wouldnt be proud if i was selling the idea of another person.
And i am talking about Mike and bonus bagging and profit maximizer.

So be carefull what you are saying around here and find a proper way to earn money without advertising to people to break the law.
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Re: WARNING WARNING STAY AWAY FROM SIRBOBET ARBITRAGE SCAM!!!!

Sat Apr 05, 2014 8:48 pm

XxSMIL3xX wrote: Sirbo...
I ll continue from another thread cause i dont want to ruin the betsonfire thread.

You are advertising here http://www.sirbo.gr/gr/news/sigouro%20kerdos/16.html that you you are offering a  65% guaranty net profit for every single month.
So i have available in my bank account right now more than 1 million.
And i am telling you that there is no way that you can guaranty 65% net profit for my deposit.

Also here http://www.sirbo.gr/gr/news/sigouro%20kerdos/9.html you are telling EXCACTLY to people to open 3 accounts and if the names are real is even better...
That means that you are telling that if the accounts are fake its nice.But if the accounts are real its better...

Do you understand what are you advertising?You are advertising to people to break the law...


Finally i wouldnt be proud if i was selling the idea of another person.
And i am talking about Mike and bonus bagging and profit maximizer.

So be carefull what you are saying around here and find a proper way to earn money without advertising to people to break the law.
Just to note something about the non-greek speaking arbers. These instructions that XxSMIL3xX posted from sirbo site are instructions of how to arb in general for newbies. And they are indeed disastrous. I totally agree with the guy there. So, if anyone is considering buying their guide, forget it. It's totally useless. But the question if their services as a bookmaker are good or not is another matter.
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Re: WARNING WARNING STAY AWAY FROM SIRBOBET ARBITRAGE SCAM!!!!

Sat Apr 05, 2014 8:56 pm

Just for the record i ll try a better translation.
They are saying "If the accounts belongs to real people is even better".

Thank you sirbobet for telling to open accounts in the name of  no excisting people.

I hadnt though till now how smart it would be to open some accounts in my dead uncle's name
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Re: WARNING WARNING STAY AWAY FROM SIRBOBET ARBITRAGE SCAM!!!!

Sat Apr 05, 2014 9:18 pm

ArberLV you are very strict with the forum.
This forum helps people to make millions and i mean millions.
The Sirboguide goes to the extremes, but why should someone care about this guide?
The important thing is payments, after a good management that will guarantee that payments will come for ever.
I asked Helias to report here but no luck. I hope Sportoboy comes back with a report.
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Re: WARNING WARNING STAY AWAY FROM SIRBOBET ARBITRAGE SCAM!!!!

Sun Apr 06, 2014 12:21 am

milord wrote:
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This forum helps people to make millions and i mean millions.
i know its your site and your forum but dont exagerate with words, i agree more with ArberLV, the useful posts are not so common.............
the free meals are not so common not the useful posts
Don't speak for something you have no clue.
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Re: WARNING WARNING STAY AWAY FROM SIRBOBET ARBITRAGE SCAM!!!!

Sun Apr 06, 2014 6:09 am

milord wrote:
Arbusers wrote:
This forum helps people to make millions and i mean millions.
i know its your site and your forum but dont exagerate with words, i agree more with ArberLV, the useful posts are not so common.............
OK then, I expect useful posts from you.
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Re: WARNING WARNING STAY AWAY FROM SIRBOBET ARBITRAGE SCAM!!!!

Sun Apr 06, 2014 1:21 pm

Continuing my last report, I would say that sirbobet is useless for pre-game arbitrage. I tried to bet a high 3-figure amount at odds 1,50 and my bet went to a trader. After a minute or so, my bet was rejected in total by the trader. The fact the bet wasn't accepted or rejected instantly is already a problem. Moreover, there are market limits for pre-game as well and for most of them seem to be pretty low. A 2nd problem is that those limits aren't anywhere shown.

Combining those facts with their in-play behaviour, I can see how sirbo's project is viable. To my eyes it is a bookmaker with good low-risk management (copying mostly bet365 odds), who doesn't accept big bets like sharp bookmakers do and doesn't limit winning players like softbooks do.

It is though a useful tool for in-play arbers, if they are reliable with payments (which I have a feeling they are, but not tested yet).   
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Re: WARNING WARNING STAY AWAY FROM SIRBOBET ARBITRAGE SCAM!!!!

Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:33 pm

We are still waiting for an answer from user 5110, as we shared to public, we provided that we paid him, we are waiting until now his message and his confimartion.
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Re: WARNING WARNING STAY AWAY FROM SIRBOBET ARBITRAGE SCAM!!!!

Wed Apr 09, 2014 8:11 am

Sirbobet-Arbitrage wrote: We are still waiting for an answer from user 5110, as we shared to public, we provided that we paid him, we are waiting until now his message and his confimartion.
If you dont hear from him, for sure he got paid!
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Re: WARNING WARNING STAY AWAY FROM SIRBOBET ARBITRAGE SCAM!!!!

Wed Apr 09, 2014 11:29 am

sportoboy wrote: Continuing my last report, I would say that sirbobet is useless for pre-game arbitrage. I tried to bet a high 3-figure amount at odds 1,50 and my bet went to a trader. After a minute or so, my bet was rejected in total by the trader. The fact the bet wasn't accepted or rejected instantly is already a problem. Moreover, there are market limits for pre-game as well and for most of them seem to be pretty low. A 2nd problem is that those limits aren't anywhere shown.

Combining those facts with their in-play behaviour, I can see how sirbo's project is viable. To my eyes it is a bookmaker with good low-risk management (copying mostly bet365 odds), who doesn't accept big bets like sharp bookmakers do and doesn't limit winning players like softbooks do.

It is though a useful tool for in-play arbers, if they are reliable with payments (which I have a feeling they are, but not tested yet). 
This is a very useful post and very good news indeed.

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