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Accumulators
« on: April 05, 2015, 11:22:34 AM »

Dear all, many bookmakers offer bonuses on parley bets (doubles, trebles, 4 folds). bet365 would be a great example. In theory, adding bonus to your accumulator should create arbitrage opportunities even if individual games are not arbs.

Did anyone make an effort to build a calculator for hedging / laying parley bets individually in sequence?

Anyone around with practical experience?

Ps: Yes, odds can move against you, yes, games need to start at different times..
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Re: Accumulators
« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2015, 08:09:37 PM »

Dear all, many bookmakers offer bonuses on parley bets (doubles, trebles, 4 folds). bet365 would be a great example. In theory, adding bonus to your accumulator should create arbitrage opportunities even if individual games are not arbs.

Did anyone make an effort to build a calculator for hedging / laying parley bets individually in sequence?

Anyone around with practical experience?

Ps: Yes, odds can move against you, yes, games need to start at different times..

if bookmaker will start offering 5% or more on trebles than i will focus on that. Now its not worth of possible profit.
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« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2015, 10:49:51 PM »

Dear all, many bookmakers offer bonuses on parley bets (doubles, trebles, 4 folds). bet365 would be a great example. In theory, adding bonus to your accumulator should create arbitrage opportunities even if individual games are not arbs.

Did anyone make an effort to build a calculator for hedging / laying parley bets individually in sequence?

Anyone around with practical experience?

Ps: Yes, odds can move against you, yes, games need to start at different times..

if bookmaker will start offering 5% or more on trebles than i will focus on that. Now its not worth of possible profit.

bet 365.. Euro football bonus 5% on trebles.. Euro basketball 7.5% on trebles...tennis 7.5% on trebles..
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Re: Accumulators
« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2015, 01:52:43 PM »

Dear all, many bookmakers offer bonuses on parley bets (doubles, trebles, 4 folds). bet365 would be a great example. In theory, adding bonus to your accumulator should create arbitrage opportunities even if individual games are not arbs.

Did anyone make an effort to build a calculator for hedging / laying parley bets individually in sequence?

Anyone around with practical experience?

Ps: Yes, odds can move against you, yes, games need to start at different times..

if bookmaker will start offering 5% or more on trebles than i will focus on that. Now its not worth of possible profit.

bet 365.. Euro football bonus 5% on trebles.. Euro basketball 7.5% on trebles...tennis 7.5% on trebles..

Great this can be profitable choosing some games very odds usualy dont move much.. good luck
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« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2015, 05:24:06 PM »

dont trebles have 13 possible outcomes youd have to cover?
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« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2015, 10:53:46 PM »

dont trebles have 13 possible outcomes youd have to cover?

you need to choose games that start at different time (one must finish before the second starts, second must finish before the third starts and so on)... you lay / hedge them individually. I am going to build a spreadsheet for that and give it a try.
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Re: Accumulators
« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2015, 12:07:02 AM »

but if you manual parlay, then you dont get the bookie parlay credit.
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« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2015, 09:49:35 AM »

but if you manual parlay, then you dont get the bookie parlay credit.

Cash, I don't understand what you mean.. pls elaborate a bit.
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« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2015, 10:39:30 AM »

Dear all, many bookmakers offer bonuses on parley bets (doubles, trebles, 4 folds). bet365 would be a great example. In theory, adding bonus to your accumulator should create arbitrage opportunities even if individual games are not arbs.

Did anyone make an effort to build a calculator for hedging / laying parley bets individually in sequence?

Anyone around with practical experience?

Ps: Yes, odds can move against you, yes, games need to start at different times..

Yes I have practical experience played over 7-8000 combos, with or without extra bonuses, various sports, but not on bet365. But arbing with combos/accumulators/parlays isn't risk free by default. There are cases when you can loose too much and needs a lot more effort and time to hedging it.
Good side of story is that profit can be much more than an arbing with single bet.


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Re: Accumulators
« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2015, 01:15:01 PM »


Yes I have practical experience played over 7-8000 combos, with or without extra bonuses, various sports, but not on bet365. But arbing with combos/accumulators/parlays isn't risk free by default. There are cases when you can loose too much and needs a lot more effort and time to hedging it.
Good side of story is that profit can be much more than an arbing with single bet.
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those are some really really serious numbers u are stating.  GG on that )), from your experience, is there any difference in limitation accs(limitation speed) regarding combos vs singles? especially late 2013 and on.
please elaborate in this. thanks
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« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2015, 05:20:26 PM »


Cash, I don't understand what you mean.. pls elaborate a bit.
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ime, if you have to make a parlay bet betting two teams at the same time to get double points.  if you bet single teams at different teams, it doesnt count as a parlay bet.
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« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2015, 06:31:42 PM »

Quote from: Cash
ime, if you have to make a parlay bet betting two teams at the same time to get double points.  if you bet single teams at different teams, it doesnt count as a parlay bet.


Cash, have a look at http://www.surebetmonitor.com/2011/07/04/lesson-12-multisurebets-great-way-to-avoid-limit/
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Re: Accumulators
« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2015, 05:37:48 AM »

OIC.  Good idea.  Thanks for that.  I'll have a look when I'm not a noob.
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« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2015, 09:44:01 AM »


Yes I have practical experience played over 7-8000 combos, with or without extra bonuses, various sports, but not on bet365. But arbing with combos/accumulators/parlays isn't risk free by default. There are cases when you can loose too much and needs a lot more effort and time to hedging it.
Good side of story is that profit can be much more than an arbing with single bet.

those are some really really serious numbers u are stating.  GG on that )), from your experience, is there any difference in limitation accs(limitation speed) regarding combos vs singles? especially late 2013 and on.
please elaborate in this. thanks
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It depends what and where you are parlaying. But be aware that when arbing with combos it doesn't mean that you never gonna be limited. Sooner or later you will. because when you hit combo, alarm is also fired. In my experience there are few books which limited me to 1 euro stake after 50 combos played. 8-10 of 50 where winning combos.
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