Arbusers

TjTaker wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 30, 2023 11:50 am

I'm from Portugal and here is perhaps the worst country in Europe to place sports bets
Arbing here is impossible

Can you constantly squeeze 2k$/account from where you from?

It depends on what you mean by account. If you have full control of the account and can provide whatever doc or photo required than you can make way more than 2k$/account in any country.

moonbow wrote: ↑

Sun Aug 27, 2023 12:11 pm

treblepop wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 26, 2023 9:26 am

you have to tell us the deposit method you are trying to use and more details, this is the reason why they are locking you

The method is BOLETO a local Deposit MO, still we have tryed with other method but the result is the same, SD01 code error, and this time the account hasn´t been lost (yet), but we are unable to deposit, if BOLETO is used with 1k the account is lost and funds are only there to be withdrawn.

you see this problem only for deposit of 500 or more?

I highly doubt Wolfie, things haven't been easy
What country are you in?

In my country - no chance for 2k/account for sure. Few value bets taken and you are immediately limited to peanuts. Tried all bookies available here and I never even was close to 2k before huge limitations came so it was basically pointless taking any more actions there, just withdrawing what you got and forget. Things got a lot worse even comparing to last year (legal bookies limiting you heavy so you struggle to rollover your bonus wasnt a case two years ago here, now its common thing you can and will experience).

Unfortunately I have to subscribe to what you said, Grant
Things are getting much more difficult and I've been in the game for a long time....
Where I used to make 10k, nowadays I don't even make 1k

In which country are you?
Are you arbing full time?

Grant wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 03, 2023 6:00 pm

In my country - no chance for 2k/account for sure. Few value bets taken and you are immediately limited to peanuts. Tried all bookies available here and I never even was close to 2k before huge limitations came so it was basically pointless taking any more actions there, just withdrawing what you got and forget. Things got a lot worse even comparing to last year (legal bookies limiting you heavy so you struggle to rollover your bonus wasnt a case two years ago here, now its common thing you can and will experience).

By account i mean identity(Friends), not bookies. you can make more than 2k per friend in any country. In some countries even 20k. But how many friends can you have ? This business is way more limited for sure. And the amount of work and technology you put in has been rising in the last 3 years exponentially. In the end this business is limited by time. You can get even 50k per account if you use some limited accounts for years. But it has no value. We measure things monthly or yearly. And the real question is how much can you earn yearly in this business as a single trader. And its not too much. Only in countries with median wage lower than 1.5k monthly it is worth the effort.

Wolfie, nowadays making 2k+/month per account (friends), with arbing only, in a lot of countries is almost impossible to do
And I know what I'm talking about...

And you know too, and better than me
I've taken a lot of inspiration from you over the years

TjTaker wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 04, 2023 5:29 pm

Wolfie, nowadays making 2k+/month per account (friends), with arbing only, in a lot of countries is almost impossible to do
And I know what I'm talking about...

And you know too, and better than me
I've taken a lot of inspiration from you over the years

Maybe you should look for some other bookies.
Crypto, offshore …
Where are you from?

Do you guys remember the golden age of poker? Does it make any money today? I haven't heard so long about it. All poker communities are dead here. I'm afraid that in a few years it will also happen to betting. Not enough stupid money in the system.

I'm from Portugal
I use offshore bookies, but my profits are lower than they were 5/10 years ago

Trevorr wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 04, 2023 9:16 pm

Do you guys remember the golden age of poker? Does it make any money today? I haven't heard so long about it. All poker communities are dead here. I'm afraid that in a few years it will also happen to betting. Not enough stupid money in the system.

I remeber golden age of blackjack in mids ‘00.

Poker and Blackjack are two very different things compared to arbing and sports betting in general
In terms of profits, consistency and etc.

TjTaker wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 04, 2023 5:29 pm

Wolfie, nowadays making 2k+/month per account (friends), with arbing only, in a lot of countries is almost impossible to do
And I know what I'm talking about...

And you know too, and better than me
I've taken a lot of inspiration from you over the years

We don't want to discourage the new guys. If you are a young person in Brazil, or Mexico for example, you can make a lot of money compared to those countries salaries. And a local guy, I am sure can find a lot of friends for little money there. For people from Europe or people with a lot of experience in online business maybe the returns are lower than other projects we may have.

TjTaker wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 05, 2023 9:19 am

Poker and Blackjack are two very different things compared to arbing and sports betting in general
In terms of profits, consistency and etc.

Sure, it's very different in many ways. But one thing is the same - you need a lot of "stupid" money in the game. If you play poker you will see immediately that there are no money because you play directly against others. But it takes more time with bookies. Money are redistributed from players there.

Some goes to smart bettors, some to taxes, some to lawyers and settlements etc and bookies need to make money. There is a problem that there are much more smart bettors, more taxes on bookies and bookies have to be careful about irresponsible betting, they have to limit losers and their money. They can stay in the game some time and take some losses. But in the end some bookies give up, sell their trademarks. Some bookies decided they give up some markets etc. and after that if you are a smart bettor you have very limited options.

"For people from Europe or people with a lot of experience in online business maybe the returns are lower than other projects we may have."

"Some goes to smart bettors, some to taxes, some to lawyers and settlements etc and bookies need to make money. There is a problem that there are much more smart bettors, more taxes on bookies and bookies have to be careful about irresponsible betting, they have to limit losers and their money. They can stay in the game some time and take some losses. But in the end some bookies give up, sell their trademarks. Some bookies decided they give up some markets etc. and after that if you are a smart bettor you have very limited options."


Completely in agreement with you guys observations
A question for both of you, and for anyone who wants to join the discussion:
What do you guys think of our industry (Arbing) in 10 years from now?
As a whole, not just in Europe but in other countries like Brazil (South America) and so on...
And in relation to other aspects such as legislation and the protection of bookies against smart bettors (Whether in new technology, limitations, market liquidity), etc. etc.?