it's not that hard to spot an arber. probably they can even see if you bet valuebet for every bet in the past or not ... it's not hard to get your EV then and see if you're gonna cost them money or not ... they have whole companies dedicated to that.
intentionally placing an arb to spot a few arbers is unnecessary risk for them.
Do bookies detect arbers using specialy made bets for this?
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it's not really about placing trap odds. There is no need for that, as it was said here before.
Sometimes they just need to balance their book, because as you might already know, they play the same game as we do, and they don't want to gamble but cover every side with a positive income.
Sometimes a valuable odd is the quickest way to cover this, knowing there will be many people who will instantly take it. It's supply and demand as in any other business. When they offer the best price they are more likely to get someone "buying" at that price.
But sure they don't even need that in order to spot an arber.
Sometimes they just need to balance their book, because as you might already know, they play the same game as we do, and they don't want to gamble but cover every side with a positive income.
Sometimes a valuable odd is the quickest way to cover this, knowing there will be many people who will instantly take it. It's supply and demand as in any other business. When they offer the best price they are more likely to get someone "buying" at that price.
But sure they don't even need that in order to spot an arber.
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I've done the same thing before===used multiple accounts from a different IP address and device, yet they've still managed to 'limit' a new account after just days! I've been arbing for years successfully, but can feel that things have tightened up a lot in the past year. I wish I discovered arbing earlier than 2010, as surely was a lot easier then!
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fSmove1929 wrote: Hello,
I was using also friend's accounts to place same bets (around 40% same) on more then one account. I was plaxing them over teamviewer on their computer (so no VPN,)
However somehow I got limits on some of these accounts on same time. I was thinking , that bookmaers can create some trap bets for us. And if we place them , then they review account manually and limit us. I came to this conclusion ,because I did not get limits on all accounts I was using to place bets and when I look into last week history of placed bet,, I found out there were 3 bets , which were placed on all limited accounts ,but not on non-limited accounts.
I've done the same thing before===used multiple accounts from a different IP address and device, yet they've still managed to 'limit' a new account after just days! I've been arbing for years successfully, but can feel that things have tightened up a lot in the past year. I wish I discovered arbing earlier than 2010, as surely was a lot easier then!
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Do book makers really balance their books these days though or do they just follow Betfair?middler wrote: it's not really about placing trap odds. There is no need for that, as it was said here before.
Sometimes they just need to balance their book, because as you might already know, they play the same game as we do, and they don't want to gamble but cover every side with a positive income.
Sometimes a valuable odd is the quickest way to cover this, knowing there will be many people who will instantly take it. It's supply and demand as in any other business. When they offer the best price they are more likely to get someone "buying" at that price.
But sure they don't even need that in order to spot an arber.
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Maybe automatic reviews trigger a manual one, but if there are no human reviews it would be much easier to avoid restrictions.
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Am I the only one that disagrees with this?pepper wrote: Nowadays nearly nothing is reviewed manually, the costs are too big, every control and limitation etc is done automatically.
Maybe automatic reviews trigger a manual one, but if there are no human reviews it would be much easier to avoid restrictions.
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I would think that algorithms initially flag up undesirable customers using many different factors but I can't think that the bookmakers simply rely on that to limit customers so they probably get a weekly or monthly report of suspected arbers etc and then manually review their activity