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Do Arb Services need permission from Bookmakers?
« on: October 31, 2016, 01:45:32 PM »
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Do Arb Services need permission from Bookmakers to track their odds?

One service said they no longer carry this Bookmaker or that Bookmaker because the Bookmaker declined to have their odds displayed by that service.

I thought the Arb Services could design bots to tack the odds and that the odds were public information on a website.
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Re: Do Arb Services need permission from Bookmakers?
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2016, 02:01:09 PM »
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Permission no. They can block your servers IP though so you'd be unable to access their site. But if you do they can't prevent you from doing so, odds aren't copyrighted like articles or pictures are they?
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Re: Do Arb Services need permission from Bookmakers?
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2016, 02:06:11 PM »
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I dont know, but when you want data you should have to ping sites and bookie servers see that kind of activity. So they have to have some kind of aproval
But maybe someone could give better answer
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Re: Do Arb Services need permission from Bookmakers?
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2017, 09:28:21 PM »
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No they don't need permission as you can scrap them from your site and as already said, they can ban your IP address but you can get change that.

Most of them will get odds through API odds providers - one for example is Odds24 and then companies like Pinaccle, Smarkets and Betfair (who allow arbers) have their own API's you can use.
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Re: Do Arb Services need permission from Bookmakers?
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2017, 08:25:44 AM »
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No they don't need permission as you can scrap them from your site and as already said, they can ban your IP address but you can get change that.
Its interresting, beause there are millions of queries. Bookies can ban them instantly.
Or cant they do legal action?Someone uses their information to make business?
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Re: Do Arb Services need permission from Bookmakers?
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2017, 02:32:17 PM »
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Arb services should give answers here. I m sure they know the answer.
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Re: Do Arb Services need permission from Bookmakers?
« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2017, 08:38:49 AM »
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Options are:
- Api from bookies(most of them give it for free or through affiliate deal). Problem is you need to code a parser for every bookie, since their apis and ways to present odds team names etc. do differ from book to book. You need to modify your parser everytime that bookie changes something in their api. So pros: api reacts fast odds movement  cons: need to manage many parsers 
- Scraping the site. Same problems as with api. pros: reacts almost as fast as pure api to odds movement (depends on how fast site is refreshing their data) cons: Need to manage parsers. Banning ip:s (they aren't so hard to get by tho, scraper can use tor or other ways to bypass banning)
- Scrape from odds comparing site. Pros: easier managing since you need to focus on one parser. Cons: slow, ip bans(comparing sites usually offer full api or similar with a price tag so they don't like scrapers).
- Use third party odds provider pros: easy to manage, usually reasonably fast. Cons: costs some money.

Getting data is simple task, but coding parsers, scrapers and arb checkers etc. is the hard part.
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