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gamblehappier
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« on: November 30, 2016, 02:56:37 AM »

Hi,i decided to start because i know that you can arb and trade on stock market and make some nice cash.Can you tell me some experienced if it worth to occypy with it and if it costs enough hours?Better ages in stock market  than sport betting? From where to start? http://www.babypips.com/ This site is good for start?Also i see that arbing opportunities are in every market  like dropshipping ,ebay ,amazon etc and i am thinking to extend it in every market.What other market will you advise me to start arbing/trading except stockmarkets?
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« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2016, 01:59:14 PM »

You wont succeed arbing in financial markets imo.
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« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2016, 06:13:59 PM »

Even hedge funds specialising in arbitrage are a rarity now, compared to 20-15 years ago. I don't think you stand any chance on stack market
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« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2016, 07:45:21 PM »

Dropshipping is much easier, although it has become really widespread and competitive lately.

I used to sell speakers which I bought from a chinese factory, and never spent a single euro out of my pocket.

Nowadays, these kinds of products are so common that people (even chinese wholesellers) list them on websites such as ebay and amazon with almost no margin, meaning it won't be worth it for someone new with no reputation.

You could try some niche products, but that requires some previous research.
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« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2016, 04:43:06 AM »

Thanks guys for answering..to say the true i believe that a lot of good traders and arbers finally switch from sportbetting to stockmarket.There is a reason why they do this.You dont think if someone is a good sport trader would not stand a chance at stock market(Of course with the appropriate searching)?

I know that dropshipping is too widespread,anyone has occupied serisously with the dropshipping directories(worlwidbreands,salehoo etc..) and making some good profit ?This stands a chance in 2016 for some profit?Take point not to be so time consuming,for example 15 hours per week is ok.
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« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2016, 10:43:59 AM »

Arbitraging? Not a change. Doesn't matter if you are top of the world in sports arbing.

Trading has similarities, but is way tougher.
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« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2016, 04:04:01 AM »

I understand that there are similarities, but anyone here trade seriously forex and say it is impossible?Because if you check google there are articles that say that is possible to trade/ arb at forex ,also at bitcoin exchanges and among other things...
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« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2016, 10:11:58 AM »

I understand that there are similarities, but anyone here trade seriously forex and say it is impossible?Because if you check google there are articles that say that is possible to trade/ arb at forex ,also at bitcoin exchanges and among other things...

First of all everything is possible.Although if you study the way the forex market works you will understand that it is extremly difficult for a retail investor to arb in forex.The problem is the speed and money.Because many banks and institutions doing this thing,they have invest a huge ammount of money to have the greatest speed connections in the market.Ofcource they use softwate/bots to execute the trades.So in order to arb between currencies you need ultra fast speed connection with the exchanges and a software to spot and execute the trades.The first one,you can do this by having a cable connected from the server of the exchange in your computer,the second one,you can do this by programming a bot for forex arbing or buy it from the metatrader platform(or the platform you use to trade forex).That's why it is near impossible for the retail investor.Ofcource you can try to exploit some more excotic currencies and not the EUR/USD. You can do this if you study enough about the forex markets and how they work.Good luck my friend!
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« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2016, 11:33:07 AM »

ilovethisforum's position is well explained, well done.
Arbitrage in the forex market IMO is impossible. Not only because companies/organisations invested a tone of money in this, but also because you have to overpass the fees that they implement to smaller actors of the market. Let's face it, say that you are entering these markets with 100M. You are still a small fish with no capability of influencing any market, with the exception of smaller markets where you don't have manoeuvring options.
On the other hand, what you can do in these markets, is cross arbitrage. This demands a very deep knowledge of 2+ markets and also experience of detecting a trend in at least one market. It is impossible to be right 100% of the times, but anything above 70% would work on your favour, combined with a stop loss strategy strictly implemented when things don't go well.
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« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2016, 12:09:36 PM »

ilovethisforum's position is well explained, well done.
Arbitrage in the forex market IMO is impossible. Not only because companies/organisations invested a tone of money in this, but also because you have to overpass the fees that they implement to smaller actors of the market. Let's face it, say that you are entering these markets with 100M. You are still a small fish with no capability of influencing any market, with the exception of smaller markets where you don't have manoeuvring options.
On the other hand, what you can do in these markets, is cross arbitrage. This demands a very deep knowledge of 2+ markets and also experience of detecting a trend in at least one market. It is impossible to be right 100% of the times, but anything above 70% would work on your favour, combined with a stop loss strategy strictly implemented when things don't go well.

Thanks Arbusers! :)
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« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2016, 02:30:42 PM »

Thanks for answering both of you.Anyway i understand that is almost impossible to battle with banks due to money and internet speed.So forex arbing is not worthing.What about stock market arbing/trading?
I lovethisforum i see that you occupy with stock market arbing,its not the same with forex,which means speed and money do not play so big role there?I understand also that niche markets are profitable whatever you do if you are expert.
In conclusion  as i dont have experience with arbing except sports, as a newbie what you would advise to occupy?Stock market,bitcoin,commodities,dropshipping?
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« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2016, 03:15:53 PM »

Thanks for answering both of you.Anyway i understand that is almost impossible to battle with banks due to money and internet speed.So forex arbing is not worthing.What about stock market arbing/trading?
I lovethisforum i see that you occupy with stock market arbing,its not the same with forex,which means speed and money do not play so big role there?I understand also that niche markets are profitable whatever you do if you are expert.
In conclusion  as i dont have experience with arbing except sports, as a newbie what you would advise to occupy?Stock market,bitcoin,commodities,dropshipping?

I cannot advise you to do anything because we are different persons with different skills,needs,problems.Although i can advise you how to start.The first thing that i have learned about how to become great at anything,is to read about it until death! :) . You must read how the things work in a specific product/market ,how it is structured from the beginning, why it is structured like this and why/how you will have an edge in this thing(what is your skill-ability)from the rest. You must read books and articles about men that have succeed in it.You must copy the successfull people,read about their life,their actions and why they better than the rest.In every industry there are leaders,you can easiely find them.Don't focus on the things that they are doing now,focus on how they have started. Most of them,they start from zero! For example,i wanted to learn about the stock market and how you can make money in stocks.I start reading about people that have made fortune with stock market and still make money.I learned about Warren Buffett which is (i am not sure) the only man in forbes 500 how made his fortune from the stock market only(means that he hasn't found a company). I started to learn more about him and start digging about his early life and why he was so unique from the others. You can do the same about him or other successfull people.It helps a lot! Use Google,is your best friend. We are very lucky people that we have access to all this information in seconds. Good luck my friend!
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« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2016, 10:10:47 AM »

Find friends. Two brains are better than one. You cannot do it by yourself except if you are a genius. Maybe in this forum you could find someone interested....
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