[Littletroll1]

Hey guys.

After the whole controversy about SBO and IBC, do we still consider them sharps?

I can personally say that using them as reference for valuebetting vs softs the past 500-600 bets have not yielded any profit, so I'm starting to question whether it's just variance or they have gone down the drain.

And what's the alternative then? Pinnacle with not nearly as many matches on offer. Bet365 maybe?

[Littletroll1]

Or maybe we're better off using some of the other Asians?

ISN, Singbet, SBC etc.

My impression is however that ISN does not offer a lot of markets, Singbet has a lot of wrong odds that they void and I don't have much knowledge of SBC.

[Littletroll1]

No opinions on this?! Seems like one of the most pressing issues right now.

[alealeale]

Hello, here is my Sbobet stats during the last ten years:
Never been very strong compared to Pinnacle or exchanges, expecially now

https://arbusers.com/index.php?topic=6289.msg68729#msg68729
(2019 complete is +15872  )

[Littletroll1]

Ok interesting, so it's actually never been very sharp compared to Pinnacle.

How many bets per year is this?

Does anyone have stats on Bet365 vs softs on soccer?

[alealeale]

I took a random month (mar17) and they were 180.
I suppose 1500-2000 bets per year.

[Vrwmikos Paiktis]

Thank you alealeale,
I wonder if these stats are because of your style of play. Maybe someone else would have different stats, depending on games, markets, odds, etc. Could you say what bets are you placing in SBO?
Of course, I don't keep any data as you did, but SBO seems to be very strong in football and especially in lower odds, below 1.70. Maybe they are doing mistakes at higher odds.

[alealeale]

Thank you alealeale,
I wonder if these stats are because of your style of play. Maybe someone else would have different stats, depending on games, markets, odds, etc. Could you say what bets are you placing in SBO?
Of course, I don't keep any data as you did, but SBO seems to be very strong in football and especially in lower odds, below 1.70. Maybe they are doing mistakes at higher odds.

Probably you are right indeed it has been a long time since I have been betting on agents for big matches and on Sbobet only when it's the only one that provides these niche markets.

[Vrwmikos Paiktis]

Thank you for confirming my initial thoughts alealeale. Also thank you for providing your statistics.
There are three types of lies... lies, damn lies, and statistics. We must be very careful with statistics as everything depends on how you read them and some time on what you want to extract from them.

[Samael]

Guys i dont understand this.
Some popular events on sbobet are now drastically low.I look at early nba and its about 100 euros.

What would happen if someone bashed those low lines?sbobet just brings them up to be same like Pinnacle odds or?
I assume it has to because with limits like this there should be ton of arbs between pinn and sbo

[kapetan1122]

Guys i dont understand this.
Some popular events on sbobet are now drastically low.I look at early nba and its about 100 euros.

What would happen if someone bashed those low lines?sbobet just brings them up to be same like Pinnacle odds or?
I assume it has to because with limits like this there should be ton of arbs between pinn and sbo

There are probably lot of arbs occuring but bots do their jobs and even odds in matter of seconds,so anybody with such small limits cant be sharp same like pinni is not sharp for lot of smaller sports/leagues

[Samael]

Guys i dont understand this.
Some popular events on sbobet are now drastically low.I look at early nba and its about 100 euros.

What would happen if someone bashed those low lines?sbobet just brings them up to be same like Pinnacle odds or?
I assume it has to because with limits like this there should be ton of arbs between pinn and sbo

There are probably lot of arbs occuring but bots do their jobs and even odds in matter of seconds,so anybody with such small limits cant be sharp same like pinni is not sharp for lot of smaller sports/leagues

yes i think the same,altough with that said you are able to place more on Sbo then limits suggest.
if they push odds back you just repeat bet right?

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