Some quick thoughts.
IMO a winning strategy should be based on a strong trend. I wouldn't go back to 5 years but 3 years look enough for me. If a winning strategy offers 10% in the 1st year, 13% in the 2nd year and 15% in the third, that shows something. But even like this, if a winning strategy has 3 years with a stable performance of 15% that shows something again.
This tool helps you see where the odds compilers make mistakes. Some times, it might not be a mistake of the odds compilers, but a mistake of the body of gamblers who think differently and move the line towards a certain level.
Odds4Stats (O4S) new value betting service
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Larger database ll be few things,maybe even go few years in back but more important you could implement U/O markets,handicaps maybe later cards and corner because i believe there could be value as well even bigger than in 1x2 markets.
Keep up with work and improvements and this could be very useful tool for lot of bettors.
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I believe this could help your users finding value but we need value from sharps,its much easier find value from softs.O4S wrote:Hello,kapetan1122 wrote: I have looked at program also and have same concerns like other guys,it should have option to include only sharps because there is no sense that i have odds from soft books and maybe this 5% value was only from their side and bigger database is must.
This is very interesting project and have good future but bigger database and only sharp bookies is must.
Thanks for the test and for your answers.
What do you think? Can we help the users with ValueMiner?
This is a question what we will ask very often, we are sure.
We believe that we give information that no one has been given before us, and that is very important.
We are surprised you would like a larger database, could you explain what you mean?
Larger database ll be few things,maybe even go few years in back but more important you could implement U/O markets,handicaps maybe later cards and corner because i believe there could be value as well even bigger than in 1x2 markets.
Keep up with work and improvements and this could be very useful tool for lot of bettors.
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It depends on league, but i cannot see how u beat for example under over soccer. Even if u find something, spread is quite deathul. Even pinnacle has 5%+ over under juice .Finally you have to see game or know details to beat some lines
And second thing. Who will care about marathonbet or willhill ?. Main goal should be to bet sharpest bookie who takes your massive bets otherwise it is useless
And second thing. Who will care about marathonbet or willhill ?. Main goal should be to bet sharpest bookie who takes your massive bets otherwise it is useless
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We have very good news for you:
For first, odds4stats.com has just been launched. :-)
We have a very special offer for you. If you subscribe on odds4stats.com till 31st of March, we give you 60 days for a 30 days subscription, either you choose Wannabe or Pro Gambler package.
Bet smart and enjoy life!
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If you think that you found good strategy when you found a team that has 140% payout in last 3 years in their home matches I can say you don't have any idea about
branch of mathematics called Probability.
I am sure you will also find guest team that has 130% payout in some league in last three season on draw at HT, team that has 135 % payout as guest team on option both teams to score....
You get my point?
And anyone who will base his strategy on this falls interpretation of statistics will loose their money on long term.
If I am wrong that this is gold mine folks, just find something that has at least 120% payout, play on Pinn for few years and go to a retirement.
branch of mathematics called Probability.
I am sure you will also find guest team that has 130% payout in some league in last three season on draw at HT, team that has 135 % payout as guest team on option both teams to score....
You get my point?
And anyone who will base his strategy on this falls interpretation of statistics will loose their money on long term.
If I am wrong that this is gold mine folks, just find something that has at least 120% payout, play on Pinn for few years and go to a retirement.
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Good point. Unfortunately.SticyBandit wrote: If you think that you found good strategy when you found a team that has 140% payout in last 3 years in their home matches I can say you don't have any idea about
branch of mathematics called Probability.
I am sure you will also find guest team that has 130% payout in some league in last three season on draw at HT, team that has 135 % payout as guest team on option both teams to score....
You get my point?
And anyone who will base his strategy on this falls interpretation of statistics will loose their money on long term.
If I am wrong that this is gold mine folks, just find something that has at least 120% payout, play on Pinn for few years and go to a retirement.
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I was the first to say I was skeptical (in fact, I said exceptic but just corrected it).
Anyway, it's just a tool providing historical data and filters. You decide what to do with results.
I don't think I will find consistent value by manually playing with filters, but maybe someone can.
Anyway, it's just a tool providing historical data and filters. You decide what to do with results.
I don't think I will find consistent value by manually playing with filters, but maybe someone can.
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If anyone takes the shot, it would be helpful to post his/her results here. I know that winning players wouldn't like to expose their strategies, but at least they could post their results only.
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Let's be accurate, I was talking about 5 years and not 3 years and that 2 years does matter.
The other very important information is that, beside mathematical calculations and probabilities you need to add other important factors, like I wrote in my other post:
" And why? Not because mathematics or statistics, simple because they can beat anyone at home. "
I do not think that Team O4S has to convince anyone about we understand mathematics and probability calculations,
we still think what we wrote earlier, its a completely separate profession.
Of course, over the time it turns out which one of us is right,
but we have to say that we will provide enormous help to our users, not only with the database, but with database management and with probability calculation in the future.
We wish you to find one's account in Odds4Stats
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Thanks for your comment.SticyBandit wrote: If you think that you found good strategy when you found a team that has 140% payout in last 3 years in their home matches I can say you don't have any idea about
branch of mathematics called Probability.
I am sure you will also find guest team that has 130% payout in some league in last three season on draw at HT, team that has 135 % payout as guest team on option both teams to score....
You get my point?
And anyone who will base his strategy on this falls interpretation of statistics will loose their money on long term.
If I am wrong that this is gold mine folks, just find something that has at least 120% payout, play on Pinn for few years and go to a retirement.
Let's be accurate, I was talking about 5 years and not 3 years and that 2 years does matter.
The other very important information is that, beside mathematical calculations and probabilities you need to add other important factors, like I wrote in my other post:
" And why? Not because mathematics or statistics, simple because they can beat anyone at home. "
I do not think that Team O4S has to convince anyone about we understand mathematics and probability calculations,
we still think what we wrote earlier, its a completely separate profession.
Of course, over the time it turns out which one of us is right,
but we have to say that we will provide enormous help to our users, not only with the database, but with database management and with probability calculation in the future.
We wish you to find one's account in Odds4Stats
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Please elaborate.O4S wrote: we will provide enormous help to our users, not only with the database, but with database management
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It's okay to be sceptic, it's absolutely normal thing, you can't convince everyone. What is important is, such a database and this type of support hasn't been on the market, but the time has came. This is a new perspective, with a lot of advantages.ppintaluba wrote: I was the first to say I was skeptical (in fact, I said exceptic but just corrected it).
Anyway, it's just a tool providing historical data and filters. You decide what to do with results.
I don't think I will find consistent value by manually playing with filters, but maybe someone can.
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One question why dont you sell this information to the bookies? Betradar,betgenius competitior?
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Value Miner is a unique and brand new product on market that never have been before. This way we need to introduce it on a proper way. We are sure there will be lots of questions and we hardly can wait to give appropriate answers for you.
Well, let's see what we will talk about on ODDS4STATS.com Forum:
- The beginning - the story of Value Miner
- Who do we recommend the Value Miner for?
- The world of numbers, statistics
- The Big Data
- The bookmaker's starting point: statistics
- External influencing factors, cases where nothing to do with numbers
- The time to have great results with Value Miner
- The reason why Value Miner uses closing odds
- The forecast from the past
- Understanding data and the initial steps in use
- Data analysis and the proper use of the database
- How NOT to use the database, risk analysis
- Creation of statistical models
- Evaluating of data, iterative methods
- The specific characteristics of the countries and leagues
- The combined use of value bets and Value Miner
- The combined use of dropping odds and Value Miner
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We would like to give you some details about the main topics and lessons what we will write about in O4S forum.Arbusers wrote:Please elaborate.O4S wrote: we will provide enormous help to our users, not only with the database, but with database management
Value Miner is a unique and brand new product on market that never have been before. This way we need to introduce it on a proper way. We are sure there will be lots of questions and we hardly can wait to give appropriate answers for you.
Well, let's see what we will talk about on ODDS4STATS.com Forum:
- The beginning - the story of Value Miner
- Who do we recommend the Value Miner for?
- The world of numbers, statistics
- The Big Data
- The bookmaker's starting point: statistics
- External influencing factors, cases where nothing to do with numbers
- The time to have great results with Value Miner
- The reason why Value Miner uses closing odds
- The forecast from the past
- Understanding data and the initial steps in use
- Data analysis and the proper use of the database
- How NOT to use the database, risk analysis
- Creation of statistical models
- Evaluating of data, iterative methods
- The specific characteristics of the countries and leagues
- The combined use of value bets and Value Miner
- The combined use of dropping odds and Value Miner
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The most crucial factor in this service is filtering. Something is telling me that it is not that easy just taking the best % and start betting. There must be a catch.
If we are putting in the game factors like specific characteristics of the countries and leagues then it is not only about statistics, because human judgement starts playing a role.
If we are putting in the game factors like specific characteristics of the countries and leagues then it is not only about statistics, because human judgement starts playing a role.
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Thank You. We take it as a compliment.maletaja wrote: One question why dont you sell this information to the bookies? Betradar,betgenius competitior?