Arbusers

GNMbg wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 26, 2023 12:47 am

I was wondering what is the reason for white label exchanges not offering trading/betting software like GeeksToy,BetAngel etc? Is Betfair against it or what?

I'm pretty sure they don't like winners at all. Do they provide you with additional liquidity compared to the original Exchange?

GNMbg wrote: ↑

Sun Aug 27, 2023 12:57 am

the Cash Out button has been terrible for the past few weeks... It constantly stays blurred and you cant click on it, or if it actually is available it doesnt work... you need to press it 4-5 times until the error stop appearing. If someone can tell Orbit about this it would be great... although I dont believe they really give a sh*t

I spotted that every agency makes the "Cash-Out" offer worse for you.
This applies to exchanges, soft bookmakers, etc.
When the "Cash-Out" button is inactive, is that an intentional barrier for you from their end?
How about calculating some cashout positions on your end, avoiding their cashout feature?
For example, compare the money you get if you start a manual emergency "Cash-Out" compared to their "Cash-Out" with hidden commissions ending with unfavorable odds for you.

- Full Cash-Out calculation:
betcalcul.com/calculator/cash-out/full/

- Having in mind the commissions:
betcalcul.com/calculator/deducting-commission/

- A very useful partial Cash-Out:
betcalcul.com/calculator/cash-out/partial/

Naturally, you can work with these formulas not only in the Exchanges but also when using some positions for Cash-Out in bookies in your portfolio, hedging some Exchange positions. This is useful when the "Cash-Out" button is inactive or the Exchanges are in maintenance or blackout mode.

Hope that helps.

Calculating the cash out is not the problem, the problem is when the odds start to move quickly and you end up closing the bet on the worst possible odds because when better odds where available the Cash Out button was inactive... and good luck trying to catch the moving odds and get matched with manually typing your bet. I would like to hear an explanation from Orbit for example why is the button inactive almost all the time when there is more than enough liquidity on the markets ?

GNMbg wrote: ↑

Sun Aug 27, 2023 12:01 pm

Calculating the cash out is not the problem, the problem is when the odds start to move quickly and you end up closing the bet on the worst possible odds because when better odds where available the Cash Out button was inactive... and good luck trying to catch the moving odds and get matched with manually typing your bet. I would like to hear an explanation from Orbit for example why is the button inactive almost all the time when there is more than enough liquidity on the markets ?

In my opinion, Orbit is betting against you, not to mention the added out of pocket liquidity...

If you like high frequency trading, only the original Exchange is for you, unless they charge you via Premium Charge or Super PC, when they may start to suspect you of avoiding these kind of charges and block you for "investigation"...

But what about moving from HFT to "value" trading positions? Assure you that you will not miss the Cash Out feature at all…

The bugs in Orbit came back since Friday. (I am able to place a bet but I can't update or cancel it)

is anyone else facing the same thing?

Paidi wrote: ↑

Sun Aug 27, 2023 3:08 pm

The bugs in Orbit came back since Friday. (I am able to place a bet but I can't update or cancel it)

is anyone else facing the same thing?

I can cancel and update but I need to refresh the page to see the results, otherwise it stays as If the bet is not accepted, when it fact it is... this way you can get confused and bet the same thing 2-3 times thinking the bets are not matched

Has anyone noticed or know why the first set correct score market in tennis is no longer offered here on Orbit?

pkpunter wrote: ↑

Sun Aug 27, 2023 10:41 pm

Has anyone noticed or know why the first set correct score market in tennis is no longer offered here on Orbit?

Same problem for me

Yes, on Piwi as well...I tried to ask Piwi support but they don't provide signifier answers...what a pity, it was a good market.
I've also ask Bia and this is their reply:

We have to inform you that unfortunately, the decision for any change or removing any particular markets lies solely at the bookies' discretion.
It's their company's policy, not BetInAsia's and we as a company would rather not comment on other company's policies, especially the ones of our Asian partners.

I hope someone has and gives infos about this lack..

pkpunter wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 10, 2023 3:06 pm

has orbit left the market correct score first set in tennis?

STRANGER THING....

As you can see , on the 10th of August I was asking this question .

Also on August 10th, after this market was taken off, my Orbit account was suspended, as you can see in the dedicated post.

I was a big arber in this market, as "alealeale" probably knows, being well organized here in Italy, there is the possibility of placing big stakes in that market.

"Do not inform" remains Orbit's line, neither in the specific reasons for the removal of the market but above all as far as I am concerned for the suspension of my account, with the gigantic damage that derives from it.

Coincidences ? Unfortunately, I am not given to know, given the lack of transparency and information in this ugly story.

It's a sin to think badly but often it's right, said a great Italian politician. .. (cited by Giulio Andreotti).

Clearly whoever wants to support me by writing in my dedicated post "orbit account suspended" is welcome and could probably help me. Thank you

We update.

alealeale wrote: Yes, on Piwi as well...I tried to ask Piwi support but they don't provide signifier answers...what a pity, it was a good market.
I've also ask Bia and this is their reply:

We have to inform you that unfortunately, the decision for any change or removing any particular markets lies solely at the bookies' discretion.
It's their company's policy, not BetInAsia's and we as a company would rather not comment on other company's policies, especially the ones of our Asian partners.

I hope someone has and gives infos about this lack..

polema wrote:

pkpunter wrote: ↑

Sun Aug 27, 2023 10:41 pm

Has anyone noticed or know why the first set correct score market in tennis is no longer offered here on Orbit?

Same problem for me

pkpunter wrote:

pkpunter wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 10, 2023 3:06 pm

has orbit left the market correct score first set in tennis?

STRANGER THING....

As you can see , on the 10th of August I was asking this question .

Also on August 10th, after this market was taken off, my Orbit account was suspended, as you can see in the dedicated post.

I was a big arber in this market, as "alealeale" probably knows, being well organized here in Italy, there is the possibility of placing big stakes in that market.

"Do not inform" remains Orbit's line, neither in the specific reasons for the removal of the market but above all as far as I am concerned for the suspension of my account, with the gigantic damage that derives from it.

Coincidences ? Unfortunately, I am not given to know, given the lack of transparency and information in this ugly story.

It's a sin to think badly but often it's right, said a great Italian politician. .. (cited by Giulio Andreotti).

Clearly whoever wants to support me by writing in my dedicated post "orbit account suspended" is welcome and could probably help me. Thank you

We update.

Interesting.

I use another whitelabel called Indibet which exclusively focuses on India.

The market is available on Indibet but it's missing on Orbit.


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Looks like Betfair thinks this market is being used by match fixers via certain whitelabels?

no I don't think that's it

only offered on major tournaments ever , great liquidity even on the original bf.com.uk ,

maybe reconsidered at the agents that the lines weren't so sharp...?

pkpunter wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 28, 2023 12:37 pm

maybe reconsidered at the agents that the lines weren't so sharp...?

The fact that also Piwi removed that market makes me think it is not because of agents (I chatted directly with Piwi's operator and he insisted to make me register in - no agents at all-)

why didn't betfair.uk also remove the market then?

Your hypothesis could be true but there is something doesn't figure out:
-the market is missing also if we don't login (no matter which agent provides Orbit). I doubt Bia, Ac and PT simultaneously realized not be worth to offer it.
-Piwi has removed the market as well and, If I'm not wrong, it is no more offered via agents.

Let's hope it is a temporary problem but I'm not so optimistic.

Far from me to accuse any agent, especially since it's their job, it's nothing new however that Betfair whitelabels are pumped with liquidity depending on how the account is profiled, whether via agent or not.