Arbusers

ex-hft wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 24, 2024 8:26 pm

I feel a little dense… but can someone tell me why is singbet considered to be so important?

@ Ex-hft,

I'm pretty sure you'll understand me.
SING provides interesting market odds for lower-division soccer games, but also offers other major sports such as Basketball when it is needed.
There are ways to precisely avoid cancellations on their end if you're not greedy. Some limited positions in markets with positive expected valued market positions, avoid any arbing approach here. Remember Aristotle's thought "Greed knows no boundaries" and act on it (I doubt SING managers know it, but who knows...)

Some other Asian/Caribbean Minotaurs are pretty excellent here also, provided that you know when and how exactly to open the appropriate value positions there, for example, Super Bowl LVIII is coming...

Camma23 wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 25, 2024 7:34 pm

apoel81 wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 25, 2024 4:09 pm

Camma23 wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 25, 2024 1:31 pm

can't skip this....BIA from singbet point of view is quite useless. I tried them for 1 day and wasn't able to place 1 (one!) bet in a lower league. They were allowing me to place only main leagues. So, why should I use them when every main league is offered on molly with good limits? I was so surprised and disappointed with their cs and moved money back.

interesting. you were rejected in both pre and live bets?

Exactly, I tried both options, different matches, small markets ofc. Otherwise I wouldn’t need Skype broker and I’d do myself via molly.
This is their manager’s point :

Thanks mate.

Will give it a try myself in the next days but if exotic leagues are not available, i don't see either how skype betting will be any helpful tbh.

Ok let me know, maybe things changed since I tried 1 years ago

Camma23 wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 25, 2024 7:34 pm

apoel81 wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 25, 2024 4:09 pm

Camma23 wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 25, 2024 1:31 pm

can't skip this....BIA from singbet point of view is quite useless. I tried them for 1 day and wasn't able to place 1 (one!) bet in a lower league. They were allowing me to place only main leagues. So, why should I use them when every main league is offered on molly with good limits? I was so surprised and disappointed with their cs and moved money back.

interesting. you were rejected in both pre and live bets?

Exactly, I tried both options, different matches, small markets ofc. Otherwise I wouldn’t need Skype broker and I’d do myself via molly.
This is their manager’s point :

Very disappointing responses by BIA on a league that they SHOULD have resources to bet a decent amount on , atleast in my opinion.

Thank you for sending this for us that ,given the whole SingBet situation , are considering trying their Skype Betting services.

This is really weird situation, while Singbet was available through brokers I didn't heard a single nice word about them... Everyone spoke that they are extremely unreliable and to stay away from them... Now when they are not available, lot of people are writing positive things about them...

DD13 wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 26, 2024 3:23 pm

This is really weird situation, while Singbet was available through brokers I didn't heard a single nice word about them... Everyone spoke that they are extremely unreliable and to stay away from them... Now when they are not available, lot of people are writing positive things about them...

Welcome to the smart betting world. You must be a very new one.

I'm doing arbing so I wouldn't use them in any circumstance because of voiding, but in general I literally never heard a single nice word about them until they become unavailable... I'm doing this for last 7-8 months so yes, I'm pretty new in this business...

DD13 wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 26, 2024 3:23 pm

This is really weird situation, while Singbet was available through brokers I didn't heard a single nice word about them... Everyone spoke that they are extremely unreliable and to stay away from them... Now when they are not available, lot of people are writing positive things about them...

If you used them for arbitrage, it is a recipe for disaster. For smart betting, they were descent cause simply there is no alternative. Nice limits and bigger variety. They always cover their ass via voiding but yet, they are much easier to beat than pinnacle. Should you skip them if you can? Definitely. Can you avoid them completely? No chance.

apoel81 wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 26, 2024 5:37 pm

DD13 wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 26, 2024 3:23 pm

This is really weird situation, while Singbet was available through brokers I didn't heard a single nice word about them... Everyone spoke that they are extremely unreliable and to stay away from them... Now when they are not available, lot of people are writing positive things about them...

If you used them for arbitrage, it is a recipe for disaster. For smart betting, they were descent cause simply there is no alternative. Nice limits and bigger variety. They always cover their ass via voiding but yet, they are much easier to beat than pinnacle. Should you skip them if you can? Definitely. Can you avoid them completely? No chance.

such true words. Feel less alone reading other guys making good business with singbet till they lasted

wow all of you guys who made consistent profit from value betting with singbet must be real pros didn't expect that there would be so many value bets with semi-sharp bookie like singbet to be able to make consistent profit even with their practice of voiding some of the winning bets.

I guess you use your own models to find value and not relying on Pinnacle for reference, am I right?

Theoretically, a voided bet on a series of 10 value bets should cause the same damages of the same voided bet on a series of the same bets (arbing)...

mrJustice wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 27, 2024 2:45 pm

wow all of you guys who made consistent profit from value betting with singbet must be real pros didn't expect that there would be so many value bets with semi-sharp bookie like singbet to be able to make consistent profit even with their practice of voiding some of the winning bets.

I guess you use your own models to find value and not relying on Pinnacle for reference, am I right?

By value bets, i mean info bets.

I know ''value betting'' in arbing language means something different but in my case i call ''value bets'' the ''info based bets''. In such case, pinnacle odds are not relevant.

I would say i only had 1-2 voids every 3-4 months from Singbet. They void but nowhere near as much as in arbing.

mrJustice wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 27, 2024 2:45 pm

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I guess you use your own models to find value and not relying on Pinnacle for reference, am I right?

apoel81 wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 27, 2024 6:00 pm

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i call ''value bets'' the ''info based bets''. In such case, pinnacle odds are not relevant.
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I have supported these ideas in various expressions in my postings for many years here on that wonderful Forum, so in the end you don't depend on Pinnacle or SING, but on your personal point of view, backed by the Logic.

That's cool! I've never moved up to a level where I could determine value bets based on "info". I still do pretty simple things - compare sharp odds against soft odds... although these days I've learned that even in this simple approach it is crucial to apply the right kind of filters to avoid fake value bets. It is crazy how often pinnacle lines are manipulated these days.

To be honest I don't even know where to start to learn about becoming a sharp player. That's why I focus on my strength - automation. Continue to do simple things and scale using automation. But it would be cool to learn to become sharp player then I could still scale using automation and the accounts would last much longer. The limits are causing real problems in the business lately.

apoel81 wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 27, 2024 6:00 pm

By value bets, i mean info bets.

Are you referring to fixed matches?