You can safely expand your portfolio of bookies beyond high-street. If ppl here give ok to a bookie it's good to use. It doesn't mean that you won't have some sort of troubles with some of them, that's the ugly face of arbing, not a disneyland, and you have to accept it. How did you manage in 7 years not to use BF and pinnie is beyond me (and makes me wonder if this is the right trade for you, no offence intended honestly). Did you use any sharps at all?
Regarding your bl, if you're in the UK you shouldn't have a problem doubling it or more.
There also seem to be plenty of bonuses in the UK. B365 might be juicy but if you collect all the smaller ones and put them together they will more than double it.
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I have a betfair account but tend to use the sportsbook version for the bets I need. I have never used pinnacle although it's become clear that this is one of the main ones to use.
The bookmakers I tend to use are as follows:
Online + Shop....
Coral
Ladbrokes
Will Hill
Betfred
Paddypower
Stanjames
Online Only...
Vernon Bet
Bet365
Unibet
Betvictor
Betfair - Sportsbook
The markets and sports I bet on havnt really changed since I started arbing 7 years ago. A few markets here and there maybe but overall it's a steady consistent process but as mentioned before it does have its limitations and there's only so much I can make doing things this way.
In regards to all the other bonuses I think I need to move away from a process which relies on needing other people to set up accounts. Firstly I have made my way through everyone I know and now it's loose links which can itself lead to problems and secondly I lose a lot of money from sharing my profits with theses people (maybe I'm to generous haha)
I think I'll do a load of research on betfair and pinnacle and see how their odds fair against the ones I currently use to make my money when arbing.
Appreciate everyone's help. Thanks.
The bookmakers I tend to use are as follows:
Online + Shop....
Coral
Ladbrokes
Will Hill
Betfred
Paddypower
Stanjames
Online Only...
Vernon Bet
Bet365
Unibet
Betvictor
Betfair - Sportsbook
The markets and sports I bet on havnt really changed since I started arbing 7 years ago. A few markets here and there maybe but overall it's a steady consistent process but as mentioned before it does have its limitations and there's only so much I can make doing things this way.
In regards to all the other bonuses I think I need to move away from a process which relies on needing other people to set up accounts. Firstly I have made my way through everyone I know and now it's loose links which can itself lead to problems and secondly I lose a lot of money from sharing my profits with theses people (maybe I'm to generous haha)
I think I'll do a load of research on betfair and pinnacle and see how their odds fair against the ones I currently use to make my money when arbing.
Appreciate everyone's help. Thanks.
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So next step for you is buy some software subscription then add Pinnacle, Dafabet, 188bet and Sbobet
You will go up and see new capabilities. Good luck
You will go up and see new capabilities. Good luck
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We've already seen from the valuebetting topics that Pinnacle drain your funds, wouldn't it be great if all those losses were back to sites that could limit/ban you instead to hold them at bay?
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I might be way off course here, but surely betting sharps vs softs is a good way to win-a-lot-of-money-at-the-softs very quickly, and get limited. If all your arbs are soft vs soft (after one of them has just moved the line) as the OP seems to be doing, you'll lose a lot of money back and look far less suspicious.Bubbles wrote: ...How did you manage in 7 years not to use BF and pinnie is beyond me...
...Did you use any sharps at all?...
We've already seen from the valuebetting topics that Pinnacle drain your funds, wouldn't it be great if all those losses were back to sites that could limit/ban you instead to hold them at bay?
Win->bet more->lose->bet same-> bankrupt
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Yes and no.
1. If you are so sure that sharps make you lose money, you can bet on valuable odds at soft bookies and make way more money without taking the negative value side at sharps.
2. The reason why sharps are sharps is because the odds they offer on non-value bets are far better than on softs.
This is because their juice is much smaller, so most times you will get bigger arbs sharp vs soft than soft vs soft.
3. Many times softs are so inefficient that you will get random arbs between them, where it is very hard to tell where value resides, as there are markets than sharps don't cover (or sometimes I've even seen both sides overvalued).
Other than that, if you take an overvalued odd from a bookie that is late to spot a line movement, sooner or later you will be limited, so better take the best available odd to close your position in that case.
By the way, someone said you need 100k to make 30k a year. I don't know if it is a joke, but you certainly don't
1. If you are so sure that sharps make you lose money, you can bet on valuable odds at soft bookies and make way more money without taking the negative value side at sharps.
2. The reason why sharps are sharps is because the odds they offer on non-value bets are far better than on softs.
This is because their juice is much smaller, so most times you will get bigger arbs sharp vs soft than soft vs soft.
3. Many times softs are so inefficient that you will get random arbs between them, where it is very hard to tell where value resides, as there are markets than sharps don't cover (or sometimes I've even seen both sides overvalued).
Other than that, if you take an overvalued odd from a bookie that is late to spot a line movement, sooner or later you will be limited, so better take the best available odd to close your position in that case.
By the way, someone said you need 100k to make 30k a year. I don't know if it is a joke, but you certainly don't
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...and indeed this has been almost proven to work, by other users on this forum.middler wrote: 1. If you are so sure that sharps make you lose money, you can bet on valuable odds at soft bookies and make way more money without taking the negative value side at sharps.
good pointmiddler wrote: 2. The reason why sharps are sharps is because the odds they offer on non-value bets are far better than on softs.
This is because their juice is much smaller, so most times you will get bigger arbs sharp vs soft than soft vs soft.
Maybe...middler wrote: sooner or later you will be limited, so better take the best available odd to close your position in that case.
Agreed. I doubled my initial bankroll in 5 months without limits, with a full time job. I left more than enough arbs out there to scale it up, the only problem I'm sure being *making money gets you limited*. The initial bankroll seems virtually irrelevant.middler wrote: By the way, someone said you need 100k to make 30k a year. I don't know if it is a joke, but you certainly don't
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As it's been said before, I believe the best way for long term profits is not to rely on arbs softwares to spot value..
And about the bankroll, unless you try to move the lines, or found value without the need of a soft book, I think that way before 100k you reach the point where ROI starts decreasing dramatically and extra money doesn't mean extra profits.
Proper money management and timing can make you "move" as much money with 30k than 100k.
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The worst part is that in most cases you don't even need to be making money to be limited, just take "clearly" overvalued odds and you'll be done pretty soon.Gamblers Ruin wrote: "the only problem I'm sure being *making money gets you limited*. The initial bankroll seems virtually irrelevant."
As it's been said before, I believe the best way for long term profits is not to rely on arbs softwares to spot value..
And about the bankroll, unless you try to move the lines, or found value without the need of a soft book, I think that way before 100k you reach the point where ROI starts decreasing dramatically and extra money doesn't mean extra profits.
Proper money management and timing can make you "move" as much money with 30k than 100k.
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qualitymiddler wrote:The worst part is that in most cases you don't even need to be making money to be limited, just take "clearly" overvalued odds and you'll be done pretty soon.Gamblers Ruin wrote: "the only problem I'm sure being *making money gets you limited*. The initial bankroll seems virtually irrelevant."
As it's been said before, I believe the best way for long term profits is not to rely on arbs softwares to spot value..
And about the bankroll, unless you try to move the lines, or found value without the need of a soft book, I think that way before 100k you reach the point where ROI starts decreasing dramatically and extra money doesn't mean extra profits.
Proper money management and timing can make you "move" as much money with 30k than 100k.
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Arbemac can you help me with some tips ,how i can Find arbs on uk local agencies.Thinking to try this agency:coral,leadbrokes,william hill,paddy power and betfred.Any tips will be welcome.