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Does anyone know how Bet365 reacts to players when they lose in the long run at horse races. Is such a player also quickly limited?

Dean wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 16, 2023 4:18 pm

Does anyone know how Bet365 reacts to players when they lose in the long run at horse races. Is such a player also quickly limited?

Place +EV bets and you will be quickly limited, they wont give you a chance to lose in long run for sure. Especially betting horses, not even comparable to football.

It is sent to all of you guys.

Grant wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 16, 2023 6:00 pm

Dean wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 16, 2023 4:18 pm

Does anyone know how Bet365 reacts to players when they lose in the long run at horse races. Is such a player also quickly limited?

Place +EV bets and you will be quickly limited, they wont give you a chance to lose in long run for sure. Especially betting horses, not even comparable to football.

What are these +EV bets? Can you please write an example?

Now you are waiting hours for me to answer but putting such in google you would get an answer within 5 sec (first answer google is throwing you) people gets lazy these days, everything delivered or they wont search themselves such simple answer....

crypto data wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 13, 2023 9:39 am

Free wining system for BETFAIR EXCHANGE
- open betfair and horse racing in the morning
- look where the LAY price is the same or lower than on soft bookies
- see (oddschaker) if most odds on soft bookies are droping (also on betfair this odd should drop).
- this horse on which you wish to bet,must not be the first favorite of the match
- chack that the most liquidity was traded on this horse, even though it is not the first favorite of the race

If you bet this horse on betfair long term you will be long term winner.

Why I dont use this system? because of low liquidity on betfair.
I used this system to drasticly inscrise YIELD on soft bookies back in time when limits on horses were slow.

Also note that i never tested this system close to the start where liqudety is bigger (but the system would need to change a litle bit in my opinion closer to the race start)

This system have a potential to be tested also on corect score.

Its dificult to find post like this even on arbusers. But i can share becouse i dedicated my self to crypto, because in betting is much harder to make 5 and 6 figure per month for last few years.


I wrote also a script for this theory in 2014 with examples. If anyone would be interested I would pass it for free. In case arbusers would be interested to script with forum members, I would pass the script to him

can i have one please?

@crypto data To work with this formula only on diferent betfair markets, most of people here will not be sucesefull!
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can you be more precise what you mean by it exactly. im able to see beginning price in other markets too, but all horses lay odds are still higher. its been almost 2 months and over minus 100 units.
Can you guide exactly what i should improve, because that way obviously it doesnt work if i dont see lay odds lower.

Who is implementing this strategy? How is it going? And above all, how many bets do you manage to place every day?

Hi, can I get a copy too?
Thank youi

Highly experienced Betfair user here. Spent hundred of thousands hours analysing every market, trying to find a niche, market where edge can be found. First you need to understand: getting an edge on horses is much more difficult than football for example. IN THEORY what OP mentioned in first his post MAY get you an advantage but you need to understand that he dropped such idea for some reason. Due to lack of liquidity you may get matched for 10 euro for example and thats it what you matched if we mean value. Loads of people came here expecting holry grail to be delivered on golden plate. Such thing doesnt exist. If any profitable "system" is exposed to the public its gonna be useless within days you nedd to understand that. Im so amazed more and more people asking for details, must be rookies or mugs. There wont be any magical prrofitble "system" which last even a week. Anyone asking for such means he doesnt know anything about betting at all. Guys you have to accept that anyone with GENUINE profitable Betfair betting pattern WONT share anywhere and to anyone, no doubts. Stop wasting your time, focus on finding your own edge you wont share then as anyone whou found it already

People looking how to win and I’m looking how to loose lol
I’m a reader of this forum and a trader on horses well known in my country, winner on horses if you want to make a living without need a large bankroll, start with live trading on betfair, horses uk and ireland, forget the pre race market, you need 10x more bankroll and you cannot make an big edge like trading in live using streams and drones and a geekstoy software, are you sure you can? Only if you are an handicaper or friend of some big jockey who will run that afternoon.
My big problem in more than 10 years was always the same….loosing money.
I think something is missing, but I’m in the same boat like some friends in the business.. imagine you have thousands of eur every week on horses but you need to loose that money, at least majority of that, I have tried arbs, but that thing only helps one week or another, because sometimes you win big on the account and that makes starting from point zero again…remember, each week comes in, the account grows thousands of eur.
Any system with maths without funds passing on shady wrong odds? Arbs on low odds is not helping long run, and bigger odds I have tried too, soon or later hit many times.
Most people knows how to loose lol, but when you need to loose to other side, things complicate, the best I did was betting back on super favs on soccer, laying that on the other side like arbing… even that after dozens bets its like the odds are king, or close to even, its like you bet on odds 1.2 for example backing to loose on super fav, and after dozens games you are on a break even system, its like the odds are correct, or close to true odds event, like odd 10, in 50 bets at least 5 times will hit, even if hit only 2…next 20 bets hits a lot.
Imagine you have the tools, accounts and the money to support swings, the comissions of the markets is not an issue on winning bets, remember the way you know to loose like a looser , someone mirroring that bets will be a winner lol.
Cheers to everyone and good luck

Miguel wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 04, 2023 11:26 pm

People looking how to win and I’m looking how to loose lol
I’m a reader of this forum and a trader on horses well known in my country, winner on horses if you want to make a living without need a large bankroll, start with live trading on betfair, horses uk and ireland, forget the pre race market, you need 10x more bankroll and you cannot make an big edge like trading in live using streams and drones and a geekstoy software, are you sure you can? Only if you are an handicaper or friend of some big jockey who will run that afternoon.
My big problem in more than 10 years was always the same….loosing money.
I think something is missing, but I’m in the same boat like some friends in the business.. imagine you have thousands of eur every week on horses but you need to loose that money, at least majority of that, I have tried arbs, but that thing only helps one week or another, because sometimes you win big on the account and that makes starting from point zero again…remember, each week comes in, the account grows thousands of eur.
Any system with maths without funds passing on shady wrong odds? Arbs on low odds is not helping long run, and bigger odds I have tried too, soon or later hit many times.
Most people knows how to loose lol, but when you need to loose to other side, things complicate, the best I did was betting back on super favs on soccer, laying that on the other side like arbing… even that after dozens bets its like the odds are king, or close to even, its like you bet on odds 1.2 for example backing to loose on super fav, and after dozens games you are on a break even system, its like the odds are correct, or close to true odds event, like odd 10, in 50 bets at least 5 times will hit, even if hit only 2…next 20 bets hits a lot.
Imagine you have the tools, accounts and the money to support swings, the comissions of the markets is not an issue on winning bets, remember the way you know to loose like a looser , someone mirroring that bets will be a winner lol.
Cheers to everyone and good luck

I didn’t understand why you need to lose money. But it’s easy - bet on all possible outcomes if a game and you’re golden.

Charges of winning, 20%,40%
Betfair is mafia camuflated.
What I mean loosing is loosing on one account big winner to another or to bookies,
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but thats a short term solution, I have been doing that and bf is closing in a lot of countries year to year, its hard to get , what I do is arbs without profit, there is a lot of super fav on bookies in my country where the odds are equal to betfair like 1.4 odd on bookie and 1.4 or 1.39 on bf, laying bf, hoping fav wins, the bookies here you can bet 5000 to 7000€ on that matches stake each bookie, if fav wins you loose 5000 for example in one match betting 10k or something on bookies, but that thing only helps one week or more, the most luck I had it was 2 months , even if you loose one bet and win 10k on bf you can try all week until sunday to loose that…but soon or later it happened to me every time, there is one week super favs loose the games like 3 matches or 4, and that account bf is busted, next week the charge is thousands because that 15k winnings are not profit, but to bf is.
Betting in all outcome is not a solution , even assuming the loss of comissions on bf when you win the bet, the propose is loosing the thousands every week, it needs to be lost in a 7 days period, you can make 10 bets or 50, but in 7 days period I need to loose the money won on trading or break even .
Other solution friends of mine tries to do with issues is betting a lot on a 7 days period on a even odd event like lines on basket etc, to generate comissions or using lot of arbs with small stakes to loose and win to increase the comissions, because we traders… loose just a few races and small losses, like 20 races you loose 3 or 4 and what you loose you profit on 2 or 3 races, so the comission generated is under 5% of the week winnings, bf every Wednesday charge plus15% of the thousands eur winnings for that week, and if you keep betting that account of a period of months, bf increases the charge to 40%.
Even 15% extra every week is many salaries on my country.
The question remains the same…how to loose money when you grow the account a couple thousands every single week and you have only 7 period day of variance to end up loosing.
The loosers beed luck to win and the winners needs luck to loose big lol
Sorry for this, i know the shady ways of doing, but thats not a long term solution too,
The odds are fair or close to it, maybe backing horses or correct score on odds above 10…maybe the account lasts long but I doubt, never tried high odds to achieve losses, but I’m scared if an odd 15 or 20 hits on the first 5 or 10 bets, lots of trouble if hits and you only have couple days to loose that