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Is there anyone located in Italy that can help regarding your offline bookmakers (betting shops)
Anyone from Italy willing to help
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Are there any limits in shops, will they print You a ticket instantly or You need to wait to confirm the bet?
Is there any tax like in Croatia or Croatia is special country that has tax like 5% on stake and 10% on winning (embarrassing)?
Are betting on singles allowed?
If they make mistake like switching the odds of underdogs and chalk, making mistake of odds like 15,5 instead od 1,55 or leaving the offer after the match is started (or even finished) can they avoid your bet/ticket?
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I saw this before OP and I want to know few things...
Are there any limits in shops, will they print You a ticket instantly or You need to wait to confirm the bet?
Is there any tax like in Croatia or Croatia is special country that has tax like 5% on stake and 10% on winning (embarrassing)?
Are betting on singles allowed?
If they make mistake like switching the odds of underdogs and chalk, making mistake of odds like 15,5 instead od 1,55 or leaving the offer after the match is started (or even finished) can they avoid your bet/ticket?
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@Mistic
Can you name a country where at least some of this criteria is met?
Can you name a country where at least some of this criteria is met?
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Re: Anyone from Italy willing to help
I'm not travelling so I can't tell You.
When You know how it works then You should know how to break it.
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apart from the taxation which is at the source , and single for all your other questions , all negative answers , limit yes , instant ticket no , void on inverted yes recently
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@Mystic:
First of all, single bets are allowed everywhere and winnings are already taxed so you don't have to pay anything when you win on shops (and online when you win on italian bookies - but you have to be italian to sign in).
In general, odds are absolutely not the highest ones, I can evince it on some sports, when the market is steady we have 1,75-1,77 and best odds are 1,80-1,83.
Italian bookies are fast to align odds when dropping but I suppose these days foreign ones are the same.
As regards shops, nowadays they are like big online account, unless the shop is huge, traders spot easily sharp bets so even in the shops bets can go to authorization.
Maybe 5-10 years ago you could stay all day long in the same store and place many bets, today no more.
First of all, single bets are allowed everywhere and winnings are already taxed so you don't have to pay anything when you win on shops (and online when you win on italian bookies - but you have to be italian to sign in).
In general, odds are absolutely not the highest ones, I can evince it on some sports, when the market is steady we have 1,75-1,77 and best odds are 1,80-1,83.
Italian bookies are fast to align odds when dropping but I suppose these days foreign ones are the same.
As regards shops, nowadays they are like big online account, unless the shop is huge, traders spot easily sharp bets so even in the shops bets can go to authorization.
Maybe 5-10 years ago you could stay all day long in the same store and place many bets, today no more.
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I'm interested in Italian shops first of all because I'm not Italian and can't sign up, and I noticed I can do arbing with Italian bookies with one of my friends that are located in other country/ies that makes this possible.
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When You place for example €100 on odd 2.0 and You win a bet, will they payout €200 or less cuz of taxes? I'm from Croatia and I don't need to pay taxes separately but when I place bet for example €100 on odd 2.0 they are firstly taking 5% of those €100 what makes me bet actually €95, then if I win they will take 10% of winnings what is €19 (95*2=190).alealeale wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 9:36 pm@Mystic:
First of all, single bets are allowed everywhere and winnings are already taxed so you don't have to pay anything when you win on shops (and online when you win on italian bookies - but you have to be italian to sign in).
In general, odds are absolutely not the highest ones, I can evince it on some sports, when the market is steady we have 1,75-1,77 and best odds are 1,80-1,83.
Italian bookies are fast to align odds when dropping but I suppose these days foreign ones are the same.
As regards shops, nowadays they are like big online account, unless the shop is huge, traders spot easily sharp bets so even in the shops bets can go to authorization.
Maybe 5-10 years ago you could stay all day long in the same store and place many bets, today no more.
I'm interested in Italian shops first of all because I'm not Italian and can't sign up, and I noticed I can do arbing with Italian bookies with one of my friends that are located in other country/ies that makes this possible.
When You know how it works then You should know how to break it.
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Also in other hand, other bookie started to use me to find their mistakes, they declined my bet, drop the odd, and even the new odd was good and tried to bet again, same sh*t happened, declined -> dropped, and even after that the odd was good to place bet for really good arb, then after that they declined my bet AGAIN haha and then they removed that offer, really really miserable tbh.
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I'm arbing now for half a year and I'm experiencing different than You said in my country that's why I asked everything I asked... There are some bookies that will void my bet and limit my account online, but when I place a bet in shop they never voided my betting ticket and I never waited for confirmation, I got ticket instantly.
Also in other hand, other bookie started to use me to find their mistakes, they declined my bet, drop the odd, and even the new odd was good and tried to bet again, same sh*t happened, declined -> dropped, and even after that the odd was good to place bet for really good arb, then after that they declined my bet AGAIN haha and then they removed that offer, really really miserable tbh.
When You know how it works then You should know how to break it.
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2) As I said before, it's more difficult than in the past to earn enough money co-working one at pc and one into the shop, high stakes at good odds are not possible now (logically I can be wrong, these thoughts come only from my experience)
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1) When you bet 100 @ 2, if you win you get 200.Mystic wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 10:27 pm1) When You place for example €100 on odd 2.0 and You win a bet, will they payout €200 or less cuz of taxes? I'm from Croatia and I don't need to pay taxes separately but when I place bet for example €100 on odd 2.0 they are firstly taking 5% of those €100 what makes me bet actually €95, then if I win they will take 10% of winnings what is €19 (95*2=190).
2) I'm interested in Italian shops first of all because I'm not Italian and can't sign up, and I noticed I can do arbing with Italian bookies with one of my friends that are located in other country/ies that makes this possible.
2) As I said before, it's more difficult than in the past to earn enough money co-working one at pc and one into the shop, high stakes at good odds are not possible now (logically I can be wrong, these thoughts come only from my experience)
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If you bet 100 euros @2, will you be able to use that ticket to place your next bet, or will you have to cash that ticket out and then "buy" the next ticket (given that it is done through a machine?
If you win on a ticket made in a shop in for example Milano, is it possible to cash that ticket out in another shop in Milano (or another city) or will you have to cash out in the exact shop you placed your bet in?
Lastly do you have to sign up anywhere or can you just walk in from the streets and bet anonomously?
Thanks in advance!
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When you place a bet in a Snai, Planetpay365 etc shop, is i done through a machine or will you have to go to the counter to get your ticket made?
If you bet 100 euros @2, will you be able to use that ticket to place your next bet, or will you have to cash that ticket out and then "buy" the next ticket (given that it is done through a machine?
If you win on a ticket made in a shop in for example Milano, is it possible to cash that ticket out in another shop in Milano (or another city) or will you have to cash out in the exact shop you placed your bet in?
Lastly do you have to sign up anywhere or can you just walk in from the streets and bet anonomously?
Thanks in advance!
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2) no problem for doing the first way
3) Except for some rare exceptions, you have to get money in the same shop, it depends on brand but 90% that way
4) up to 4-5k stake or winning you remain anonymous but managers are not stupid and if they decide you can't bet they can do it (there were some mug shots and video circulating among planet shops of a guy betting sharp on machines)
if the shop don't earn on volumes this kind on customer is not welcome
.....maybe that guy could even be here in the forum not me, obviously
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1) usually there are machines in every shop so you can choose what to do.Frederik wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 3:59 pmWhen you place a bet in a Snai, Planetpay365 etc shop, is i done through a machine or will you have to go to the counter to get your ticket made?
If you bet 100 euros @2, will you be able to use that ticket to place your next bet, or will you have to cash that ticket out and then "buy" the next ticket (given that it is done through a machine?
If you win on a ticket made in a shop in for example Milano, is it possible to cash that ticket out in another shop in Milano (or another city) or will you have to cash out in the exact shop you placed your bet in?
Lastly do you have to sign up anywhere or can you just walk in from the streets and bet anonomously?
Thanks in advance!
2) no problem for doing the first way
3) Except for some rare exceptions, you have to get money in the same shop, it depends on brand but 90% that way
4) up to 4-5k stake or winning you remain anonymous but managers are not stupid and if they decide you can't bet they can do it (there were some mug shots and video circulating among planet shops of a guy betting sharp on machines)
if the shop don't earn on volumes this kind on customer is not welcome.....maybe that guy could even be here in the forum
not me, obviously- crypto data
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are you from istria?Mystic wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 10:40 pmI'm arbing now for half a year and I'm experiencing different than You said in my country that's why I asked everything I asked... There are some bookies that will void my bet and limit my account online, but when I place a bet in shop they never voided my betting ticket and I never waited for confirmation, I got ticket instantly.
Also in other hand, other bookie started to use me to find their mistakes, they declined my bet, drop the odd, and even the new odd was good and tried to bet again, same sh*t happened, declined -> dropped, and even after that the odd was good to place bet for really good arb, then after that they declined my bet AGAIN haha and then they removed that offer, really really miserable tbh.
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Thanks for your reply!
How can the shop see if you earn 4k-5k if you play on the machine? Can't you just play multiple tickets of 100 euros? And I can see there are a lot of planetwin shops, can't you just play at another location if you are backed of at one?
Furthermore I would like to know how long before a ticket expires if you have not cashed it in?
Thanks!
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alealeale wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:51 pm1) usually there are machines in every shop so you can choose what to do.Frederik wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 3:59 pmWhen you place a bet in a Snai, Planetpay365 etc shop, is i done through a machine or will you have to go to the counter to get your ticket made?
If you bet 100 euros @2, will you be able to use that ticket to place your next bet, or will you have to cash that ticket out and then "buy" the next ticket (given that it is done through a machine?
If you win on a ticket made in a shop in for example Milano, is it possible to cash that ticket out in another shop in Milano (or another city) or will you have to cash out in the exact shop you placed your bet in?
Lastly do you have to sign up anywhere or can you just walk in from the streets and bet anonomously?
Thanks in advance!
2) no problem for doing the first way
3) Except for some rare exceptions, you have to get money in the same shop, it depends on brand but 90% that way
4) up to 4-5k stake or winning you remain anonymous but managers are not stupid and if they decide you can't bet they can do it (there were some mug shots and video circulating among planet shops of a guy betting sharp on machines)
.....maybe that guy could even be here in the forum
Thanks for your reply!
How can the shop see if you earn 4k-5k if you play on the machine? Can't you just play multiple tickets of 100 euros? And I can see there are a lot of planetwin shops, can't you just play at another location if you are backed of at one?
Furthermore I would like to know how long before a ticket expires if you have not cashed it in?
Thanks!
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Forget playing always multiple tickets, especially on planetwin shops. The system won't allow you to do it, at least on some shops. Planet is getting worse and worse, until 2-3 years ago it was heaven, now they became very harsh since smart players were too greedy. Then, they became fast on adjusting odds and a lot of markets can't be bet on single.
3 months to cash your winnings.
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4.999 euro is the maximum amount for cash movements because of italian law so if your winning is lower there aren't any problems.Frederik wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:57 amHow can the shop see if you earn 4k-5k if you play on the machine? Can't you just play multiple tickets of 100 euros? And I can see there are a lot of planetwin shops, can't you just play at another location if you are backed of at one?
Furthermore I would like to know how long before a ticket expires if you have not cashed it in?
Thanks!
Forget playing always multiple tickets, especially on planetwin shops. The system won't allow you to do it, at least on some shops. Planet is getting worse and worse, until 2-3 years ago it was heaven, now they became very harsh since smart players were too greedy. Then, they became fast on adjusting odds and a lot of markets can't be bet on single.
3 months to cash your winnings.
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