BetBurger.com - Your ideas, propositions and conserns!

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Re: BetBurger.com - Your ideas, propositions and conserns!

Sun May 03, 2015 8:04 pm

Dear betburger yes i am with you since you first appeared at arbusers and made money with your help in your ups and lost money in your downs. Let me say it clearly .. this service is steadily DECLINING! I do not know the reasons behind this fact but i'm guessing it's not just one thing.
1) You  now have more clients and they bet before me (bots maybe?) so a number of arbs die very young. (live football arbs in betburger nowadays are very rare!)
2) Lots of bookies , markets lead you to reduced speed ?
3) how come can i manually find arbs in markets and bookies that betburger covers very well that never appear on betburger or they appear for a second and then vanish?  I would like an answer on this .. i'm sure the others have noticed it too.
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Sun May 03, 2015 9:44 pm

raizzak wrote: And if you want suggestions stop using recources to scan badmington,beach volley, bandy,futsal, field hockey,e-sports etc. Noone sane will ever use them for various reasons even though the % of the traffic they use is minimal vs the major sports.
I agree. These are completely useless. Don't waste resources scanning these markets.
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Sun May 03, 2015 10:26 pm

Thordin wrote: Its pretty hard for betburger to select which bookies/sports to turn off as ''secondary''.
People arb differently and might be able to get value from ''crappy'' books, in lots of ways.
I think it will create more complaints and mess with people's routines.
of course, that's why you have to make choices in your offering. you either make one group happy, or another group, you can't do both. for me it's difficult to understand why Betburger has been using the official Betcris-feed which is 5 minutes delayed for as long as they exist (making it useless to everybody, you might as well have it turned off) and not do everything they can to develop a scraper, but instead prefer to add yet another book (was it corbett?) that limits after 1 bet, making the service as a whole even slower.
this isn't critisism on just betburger btw, i don't think that's fair, it's targeted at all services out there.  because we all know, some of them are much much worse in terms of actual usability.
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Re: BetBurger.com - Your ideas, propositions and conserns!

Mon May 04, 2015 8:37 am

Hi,
I totaly desagree with most of you.
Service stop worked suddenly Decembar 27. From that moment BB added WBX, Hititbet, Corbet +5clones and Totesport. I dont think that 8 new bookmakers changed service so rapidly.
Something more changed as well. Average response time of their email support was 6 hours and they fixed fast all mistakes on live service. After Decembar 27, average response time is 6 days. Simple they do not maintain service as good as before. In January I payed new suscription and I was affraid that service will not work anymore.
One more thing, number of clients. I am sure, they have huge number of clients. A lot of sports and a lot of bookies, good price, attract many players, not only arber. Unfortunatly they see only high income, not high costs.
Solution, simple , they have to invest in tehnology and maintanance.
Market will decide is their buissines model ok or not. Arbers are not loyal client for sure, so all of us will find our ways.
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Re: BetBurger.com - Your ideas, propositions and conserns!

Mon May 04, 2015 9:10 am

Imo the best solution is for them to invest more in their company, increase their capacities to support what they have built and then increase the prices to cover new costs.

Otherwise, like people said before, they have to choose which customers they want to keep happy.

Other services will step up to absorb the demand, im sure they were planning already more so after this fuss thats going on lately.
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Mon May 04, 2015 9:26 am

There is another dimension not revealed by anyone of you guys. I estimate that bet burger has the 2nd largest cliental basis after rebel betting. This is an estimation based on the interest that I see in regards to bet burger, and not in solid data. After the summer of 2014, this service attracted a big number of players. There are a lot of reasons for this,  but the main reason is that their product was good.
In order to keep their clients happy, bet burger was forced to offer new markets and new bookmakers. Otherwise all of us would be bottled to a limited number of markets and bookmakers. That said, we shouldn't accuse bet burger for the expansion of markets and bookmakers. On the contrary, we should applaud them for this.
I m afraid I have to dissagree with most of you guys. As I see it, bet burger should invest more in new markets and new bookmakers while investing even more in speed (I guess no one disagrees about speed).
As I see it, bet burgers task is on the technical side, while the community's task is to show them these markets and bookmakers. That means that we must reveal our secrets, somehow I believe that only 2-3 of us are ready to do so. A paradox oftenly met in the arbing world.
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Mon May 04, 2015 9:56 am

without alert services we'd be better off, I have found myself subscribing to these services in order to keep up
with the competition only to find they are a complete waste of money, arbing is about discovering something and
when you discover this go back and back again, if what you discovered is not being found by an alert service
then your discovery will have more life, if found by an alert service, your discovery is dead, I only survive as an
arber as alert services do not yet discover everything, I hope they never do, they kill arbing opportunities,
they do not create them.

it is no coincidence that EVERY service starts of well and then detiorates, the reason or reasons for this they themselves
would have to explain.

alert services are for lazy or unskilled arbers, without them a lot of us would be far better off, they have identified an easy
way to make them profit, as a lazy arber myself who has subscribed to these services only to realise what a waste of money!

Betburger is taking the rap just now, it's not just them, is it? we arbers feed these guys, we make the same actions and expect
different outcomes, we as arbers should know better, alert services are no longer the solution and haven't been for some time,

if the world's fastest, best alert service was to launch today, we'd all subscribe, would that improve our arbing? we're clutching
at straws, we should know that every arb we see has much competiton, the bookmaker is laughing as he throws in his line to catch many fish, this is what alert services has brought to arbing, the market is saturated with products that simply do not deliver.

some have cleverly identified that there is much profit to be made from arbers, we arbers have allowed this, thinking that
we are the clever ones when we are not, any fool can be an arber.
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Mon May 04, 2015 10:07 am

@fnatic91
I'm repeating one more time - we can't react on the issues if you will write them in this general way. Thanks for your "constructive" criticism. @raizzak helped us with the answer, he posted our previous message according to the describing problems on the service. Please if you want to solve the issue, send us e-mail to support@betburger.com
Your service is much faster  than Flashscore.com for updating the live scores/corners : you show all "arbs" where a goal is already scored , where a corner kick is already  made , so the service is full of spams and not a single real arb is being shown by the service.

As other people has said , please remove the useless sports if that's the problem.
About the bookies , i think that you should keep bookies which are available to a lot of people.What's the point to add FortunaWin when they accept only 5-6 countries ??? Totesport,Skybet etc also do accept only 4-5 countries.
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Mon May 04, 2015 10:51 am

Arbusers wrote: . As I see it, bet burger should invest more in new markets and new bookmakers while investing even more in speed (I guess no one disagrees about speed).
you got to be kidding, new markets, new bookmakers, they cannot run before they can walk, they cannot cope
as it stands just now, they have diluted their service to it's dertiment, they got greedy, they got carried away by
their early success, they need to take a breath and go back to basics which got them all their customers, customers
they will lose, just like arbers they are greedy and as we know  greed isn't always for the good.
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Re: BetBurger.com - Your ideas, propositions and conserns!

Mon May 04, 2015 11:30 am

Yorkjoss, you are against the use of alert services. Let those who support them to have a different view.
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Re: BetBurger.com - Your ideas, propositions and conserns!

Mon May 04, 2015 12:56 pm

I have used BB, and I rate them fairly good during the week - yes it misses the odd arb here and there but I pick these up.

The Saturday issue is the main concern for me as again I was finding spam or arbs that were a good hour our of date.

That said, my profit still outweighs my outlay on the service - so it is doing it's job...it could just do better on Saturdays to make it a great service again
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Mon May 04, 2015 2:20 pm

Arbusers wrote: Yorkjoss, you are against the use of alert services. Let those who support them to have a different view.
are you not reading the comments in this topic? is profit making you blind?

if my opinion goes against your business model then of course as it is a forum you are entitled
to your opinion and to disagree with me as of course I am allowed to disagree with you and I do.

if you want to silence me then of course you can but I am not saying anything different from a few
other posters in this topic, forums are about opinions, if you wish to change this then I suggest
you change arbusers into something else that fully caters for your needs.
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Re: BetBurger.com - Your ideas, propositions and conserns!

Mon May 04, 2015 3:19 pm

yorkjoss wrote:
Arbusers wrote: Yorkjoss, you are against the use of alert services. Let those who support them to have a different view.
are you not reading the comments in this topic? is profit making you blind?

if my opinion goes against your business model then of course as it is a forum you are entitled
to your opinion and to disagree with me as of course I am allowed to disagree with you and I do.

if you want to silence me then of course you can but I am not saying anything different from a few
other posters in this topic, forums are about opinions, if you wish to change this then I suggest
you change arbusers into something else that fully caters for your needs.
You are getting out of line here and you personal confict with arbusers clouds your judgement.
If you think that alert services is killing you or anyone else adapt or die...
If you think that competition is killing you or anyone else adapt or die...
If you think that you should manually scan markets to gain profits that's your opinion and it might have supporters as well the 100% sure is that you won't achieve big money by that way...

You don't have to be ungrateful...
Don't speak for something you have no clue.
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Re: BetBurger.com - Your ideas, propositions and conserns!

Mon May 04, 2015 3:29 pm

raizzak wrote:
yorkjoss wrote:
Arbusers wrote: Yorkjoss, you are against the use of alert services. Let those who support them to have a different view.
are you not reading the comments in this topic? is profit making you blind?

if my opinion goes against your business model then of course as it is a forum you are entitled
to your opinion and to disagree with me as of course I am allowed to disagree with you and I do.

if you want to silence me then of course you can but I am not saying anything different from a few
other posters in this topic, forums are about opinions, if you wish to change this then I suggest
you change arbusers into something else that fully caters for your needs.
You are getting out of line here and you personal confict with arbusers clouds your judgement.
If you think that alert services is killing you or anyone else adapt or die...
If you think that competition is killing you or anyone else adapt or die...
If you think that you should manually scan markets to gain profits that's your opinion and it might have supporters as well the 100% sure is that you won't achieve big money by that way...

You don't have to be ungrateful...
it's a forum man, it's all about opinions, you've just gave yours, I disagree with almost all you wrote and also your motives
but as I said it's a forum, full of faceless people sitting at a keyboard, you within reason are allowed to post what you like
and so am I and everyone else on here, I had been expecting your post ;)

on chat only yesterday Razziak  you were very critical of Betburger saying very similar things to what I wrote, seems you
have had a change of thinking the very next day, as you say of course "adapt or die"
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Re: BetBurger.com - Your ideas, propositions and conserns!

Mon May 04, 2015 3:42 pm

Yorkjoss, I suggest you read my previous posts in this thread. If you do so you will see that I (among others) alerted bet burger about their recent drop of performance. If you can't see this then it is you who is blind. You could also find out against your understanding, that I criticize a service that is advertised here.
There is no need to silence you, unless you go against the registration agreement that you electronically signed upon your registration. On the contrary, your posts deserve to be examined in depth, mainly because they are dominated by the paradox of visiting a forum that you so much hate.
Also, if possible, I would like you to pinpoint a member of this forum who is NOT looking for profit.
You are also kindly requested to take a close look under the arbusers logo in he top left side of the page. It clearly says...let's make money.
Believe it or not, we are all making money here and that includes you as well, unless you are visiting this forum for other reasons.
If you think that I spent 18 hours per day in front of 2-3 PCs without expecting a profit for this, you are once again wrong.

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