BetBurger.com - Your ideas, propositions and conserns!

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Re: BetBurger.com - Your ideas, propositions and conserns!

Mon May 04, 2015 4:04 pm

Arbusers wrote: Yorkjoss, I suggest you read my previous posts in this thread. If you do so you will see that I (among others) alerted bet burger about their recent drop of performance. If you can't see this then it is you who is blind. You could also find out against your understanding, that I criticize a service that is advertised here.
There is no need to silence you, unless you go against the registration agreement that you electronically signed upon your registration. On the contrary, your posts deserve to be examined in depth, mainly because they are dominated by the paradox of visiting a forum that you so much hate.
Also, if possible, I would like you to pinpoint a member of this forum who is NOT looking for profit.
You are also kindly requested to take a close look under the arbusers logo in he top left side of the page. It clearly says...let's make money.
Believe it or not, we are all making money here and that includes you as well, unless you are visiting this forum for other reasons.
If you think that I spent 18 hours per day in front of 2-3 PCs without expecting a profit for this, you are once again wrong.
well I am certainly not blind and believe my brain and my thought process to be working just fine, if my posts
need to be examined in depth then I am flattered, thank you ;) not only my posts need to be examined in depth
or for their motives, yours (in my opinion) certainly do.

your profit cannot come first, the forum and what it stands for (a community for arbers) should come first always,
I think this is not always the case, your ego and of course your profit influence your posts and when this is pointed out
to you you then vigorously defend yourself in a manner that says "I am the owner therefore I am right, always"

I believe a forum for arbers is a good thing, that's why I come on here, not to make money,
for me that's not what a forum is about, I am surprised you think that it is and that that could be the only reason
why anyone would join your forum, again your are off the mark, there will be many arbers who have joined
this community, like me as a curious arber and not to "make profit" I make profit when I am working as an arber.
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Mon May 04, 2015 4:27 pm

I believe this thread got off topic and needs some ''cleaning'', spam is worst than Betburger@16:00 uk Saturdays :D

Sure its a forum and we are free to say our opinion and that crap, but there is a line between saying our opinion and flooding the thread with it.
If you guys want to attack the admin about his efforts to profit, make a topic about it. He is not stealing from us anyway, we can all ''shop'' elsewhere if we want to.
And if you guys want to preach about how alert services are ruining your arbing, make another topic and write your heart out.

This topic is for ''lazy-arber'' betburger customers giving their feedback, writing their complaints, making suggestions. And betburger to read and answer. Lets not make it harder for them to get our feedback.
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Re: BetBurger.com - Your ideas, propositions and conserns!

Mon May 04, 2015 5:26 pm

yorkjoss wrote: on chat only yesterday Razziak  you were very critical of Betburger saying very similar things to what I wrote, seems you
have had a change of thinking the very next day, as you say of course "adapt or die"
Im still very critical to them but we saw they acknowledged the problem so let's see forward what they decide to do.
    your profit cannot come first, the forum and what it stands for (a community for arbers) should come first always,
    I think this is not always the case, your ego and of course your profit influence your posts and when this is pointed out
    to you you then vigorously defend yourself in a manner that says "I am the owner therefore I am right, always"

    I believe a forum for arbers is a good thing, that's why I come on here, not to make money,
    for me that's not what a forum is about, I am surprised you think that it is and that that could be the only reason
    why anyone would join your forum, again your are off the mark, there will be many arbers who have joined
    this community, like me as a curious arber and not to "make profit" I make profit when I am working as an arber.
Again personal conficts that has nothing to offer... Correct me if im wrong noone put a gun to your head to use any of the advertized products (via the banners or w/e bond they have to arbusers). He can say (or anyone else) whatever he wants, why you have to agree with it? Why do you even care? He makes money from the forum, oh we just discovered america, do you take advantage from any of its perks fine... Do you feel he is "cheating" cut any ties... And the life goes on....
Don't speak for something you have no clue.
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Re: BetBurger.com - Your ideas, propositions and conserns!

Mon May 04, 2015 5:57 pm

Thordin wrote: I believe this thread got off topic and needs some ''cleaning'', spam is worst than Betburger@16:00 uk Saturdays :D

Sure its a forum and we are free to say our opinion and that crap, but there is a line between saying our opinion and flooding the thread with it.
If you guys want to attack the admin about his efforts to profit, make a topic about it. He is not stealing from us anyway, we can all ''shop'' elsewhere if we want to.
And if you guys want to preach about how alert services are ruining your arbing, make another topic and write your heart out.

This topic is for ''lazy-arber'' betburger customers giving their feedback, writing their complaints, making suggestions. And betburger to read and answer. Lets not make it harder for them to get our feedback.
strange post Thordin? you criticise about people going off topic, then do the same thing

Betburger are well aware of the issues affecting their service, whether there's a debate on the subject
on Arbusers will not make any difference to them, they're either going to fix the issues or they are not
posts on Arbusers are irrelevant, they have their own site to contact them and they expect problems
to be highlighted to them in this manner, not that I'm saying this is guaranteed to make a difference either
but nevertheless that's where they expect their problems to be highlighted.

any replies now are just lip service, they have been getting emails from disgruntled customers for many weeks
but the deterioration continued, an action plan should have been an ongoing issue for them if they are serious
about improvements, what are their customers supposed to think of their "on site" method of contacting them?
have they been wasting their time? if I have a problem I contact them and explain the issue. maybe they will
have to update their contact details?
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Re: BetBurger.com - Your ideas, propositions and conserns!

Mon May 04, 2015 6:13 pm

Hello guys,

We will be back with the plan of our actions according to the highlighted problems at the end of the week.
Need to discuss this carefully and analyze statistics about three parameters: bookies, sports and markets.

Also we've received several mails with wishes about useless bookmakers, sports and markets. So if you have preferences, just let us know by e-mail. We will try to analyze them too.

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Thu May 07, 2015 8:01 pm

Hello BetBurger Team,

I reported to you the incorrect calculation of Matchbook com rate and stake last August. Then you have done nothing until a few days ago. I noticed you have changed the MB com rate of handicap odds from 1% to 0.5% a few days ago. However MB 0.5% com promotion applies to handicaps only on soccer. Therefore many incorrect ROI arbs on other sports are shown.

You have not fixed the incorrect calculation yet. Betburger detector and calculator process MB odds in the same way with Betfair and Betdaq odds etc who take com only when bets win. The way to evaluate MB odds is different from them. The correct way is as follows. If odds is under 2.00, set the com rate for the odds % (If odds is 1.99, then 1.99%. If odds is 1.01, then 1.01%). If odds is over 2.00, set it for 2.00 %. If the odds is for soccer handicaps, set it for half % above (If Man C -1.5 odds is 1.50, then 0.75%. If Man U -1.5 odds is 2.50, then 1.00%.).  Thus we get the MB deducted odds and can compare MB odds with other exchanges and bookies odds equally, and can calculate correct ROI. However it as it is can't be used to calculate correct stake. I'll tell you the way too if you need.

If only the com rate which Betburger detector uses for MB is set as above, Betburger will show correct ROI. That's good enough for now, even if your calculator bug is left. If you don't fix this, sooner or later you will receive some complaints from victims due to this bug.
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Re: BetBurger.com - Your ideas, propositions and conserns!

Fri May 08, 2015 1:38 pm

w62upr wrote: Hello BetBurger Team,

I reported to you the incorrect calculation of Matchbook com rate and stake last August. Then you have done nothing until a few days ago. I noticed you have changed the MB com rate of handicap odds from 1% to 0.5% a few days ago. However MB 0.5% com promotion applies to handicaps only on soccer. Therefore many incorrect ROI arbs on other sports are shown.

You have not fixed the incorrect calculation yet. Betburger detector and calculator process MB odds in the same way with Betfair and Betdaq odds etc who take com only when bets win. The way to evaluate MB odds is different from them. The correct way is as follows. If odds is under 2.00, set the com rate for the odds % (If odds is 1.99, then 1.99%. If odds is 1.01, then 1.01%). If odds is over 2.00, set it for 2.00 %. If the odds is for soccer handicaps, set it for half % above (If Man C -1.5 odds is 1.50, then 0.75%. If Man U -1.5 odds is 2.50, then 1.00%.).  Thus we get the MB deducted odds and can compare MB odds with other exchanges and bookies odds equally, and can calculate correct ROI. However it as it is can't be used to calculate correct stake. I'll tell you the way too if you need.

If only the com rate which Betburger detector uses for MB is set as above, Betburger will show correct ROI. That's good enough for now, even if your calculator bug is left. If you don't fix this, sooner or later you will receive some complaints from victims due to this bug.
Hello @w62upr!

Thank you for contacting us!
We understand your concern, that's why we have just corrected the commission. Now it is 0.5 for football handicaps only.
Hope we have met your desires. If you have any more suggestions, please be so kind to add them to the appropriate category: https://www.betburger.com/propositions . If the request gathers the sufficient amount of votes, we will bring it into service. 
Also, if you have something more to ask, please feel free to do so!

Best regards,
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Re: BetBurger.com - Your ideas, propositions and conserns!

Fri May 08, 2015 2:22 pm

No, you hvae not understood.

Please read again and fix the MB com rate of Betburger detector.

Betburger detector and calculator process MB odds in the same way with Betfair and Betdaq odds etc who take com only when bets win. The way to evaluate MB odds is different from them. The correct way is as follows. If odds is under 2.00, set the com rate for the odds % (If odds is 1.99, then 1.99%. If odds is 1.01, then 1.01%). If odds is over 2.00, set it for 2.00 %. If the odds is for soccer handicaps, set it for half % above (If Man C -1.5 odds is 1.50, then 0.75%. If Man U -1.5 odds is 2.50, then 1.00%.).  Thus we get the MB deducted odds and can compare MB odds with other exchanges and bookies odds equally, and can calculate correct ROI. However it as it is can't be used to calculate correct stake.

If only the com rate which Betburger detector uses for MB is set as above, Betburger will show correct ROI. That's good enough for now, even if your calculator bug is left.
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Fri May 08, 2015 5:33 pm

You may add new settings which allow users to set com rate of Betburger detector. It's a better solution if possible. Current com settings don't affect Betburger detector.
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Re: BetBurger.com - Your ideas, propositions and conserns!

Sat May 09, 2015 7:37 am

w62upr wrote: No, you hvae not understood.

Please read again and fix the MB com rate of Betburger detector.

Betburger detector and calculator process MB odds in the same way with Betfair and Betdaq odds etc who take com only when bets win. The way to evaluate MB odds is different from them. The correct way is as follows. If odds is under 2.00, set the com rate for the odds % (If odds is 1.99, then 1.99%. If odds is 1.01, then 1.01%). If odds is over 2.00, set it for 2.00 %. If the odds is for soccer handicaps, set it for half % above (If Man C -1.5 odds is 1.50, then 0.75%. If Man U -1.5 odds is 2.50, then 1.00%.).  Thus we get the MB deducted odds and can compare MB odds with other exchanges and bookies odds equally, and can calculate correct ROI. However it as it is can't be used to calculate correct stake.

If only the com rate which Betburger detector uses for MB is set as above, Betburger will show correct ROI. That's good enough for now, even if your calculator bug is left.
Hello again @w62upr!
For calculation 1% of commissions on matchbook we calculated correctly (you have shown in the example) ;). Unfortunately, we cannot make a similar calculation system for calculating 0.5% of commission for handicaps in football at the moment.
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Re: BetBurger.com - Your ideas, propositions and conserns!

Sat May 09, 2015 11:57 pm

betburger wrote: Unfortunately, we cannot make a similar calculation system for calculating 0.5% of commission for handicaps in football at the moment.
Can't Betburger be programmed to do the condition analysis ((i)If odds is under 2.00 (ii)If odds is over 2.00) ? In that case, set the MB com rate for 2%. Regarding football handicaps, set it for 1%. I see currently Betburger sets them for 1% and 0.5% each. You should be able to double them each. If it has been set like this, Betburger will show correct ROI concerning over 2.00 odds. The condition analysis process is also required to calculate stake amount. So the bug of stake calculation also cannot be solved unless the condition analysis program is added as far as I know.
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Re: BetBurger.com - Your ideas, propositions and conserns!

Sun May 10, 2015 12:13 am

w62upr wrote:
betburger wrote: Unfortunately, we cannot make a similar calculation system for calculating 0.5% of commission for handicaps in football at the moment.
Can't Betburger be programmed to do the condition analysis ((i)If odds is under 2.00 (ii)If odds is over 2.00) ? In that case, set the MB com rate for 2%. Regarding football handicaps, set it for 1%. I see currently Betburger sets them for 1% and 0.5% each. You should be able to double them each. If it has been set like this, Betburger will show correct ROI concerning over 2.00 odds. The condition analysis process is also required to calculate stake amount. So the bug of stake calculation also cannot be solved unless the condition analysis program is added as far as I know.
The Matchbook commission has been working fine for a long time (except the 0.5% promo). Check again, more carefully, before saying again that it doesn't work.
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Sun May 10, 2015 12:22 am

cristi13 wrote: The Matchbook commission has been working fine for a long time (except the 0.5% promo). Check again, more carefully, before saying again that it doesn't work.
I'm sure it has been incorrect since Betburger birth. If you think it's correct, choose any MB arb, check its ROI, and try the arb with the calculator.
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Re: BetBurger.com - Your ideas, propositions and conserns!

Sun May 10, 2015 12:48 am

Copy paste from betburger calculator:

Betfair TO(2.5) 2.00000 100.00       EUR    0.00
Bookie TU(2.5) 2.00000 100.00       EUR    0.00

Matchbook AH1(0) 2.00000 100       EUR    0.00
Bookmaker AH2(0) 2.00000 100       EUR    -1.00
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Re: BetBurger.com - Your ideas, propositions and conserns!

Sun May 10, 2015 1:20 am

Matchbook  W1    @2.00    com 1.00  100 EUR      -1.00
Bookmaker  W2  @2.00                    100 EUR          0

This is what Betburger calculator shows.

Matchbook  W1    @2.00    com 1.00  100 EUR      -1.00
Bookmaker  W2  @2.00                    100 EUR        -1.00

This is what a correct calculator should show.

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