Arbusers

Hello..new arbuser here.
Ive been arbing since 2015 live matches, and lately ive been using Black by betinasia.
I managed to arb some live matches, but it is slow as hell...even if there is liquidity at x odds, my bet would be saying "unassigned" (?), then it gets placed after 50 seconds or so. Its very risky for live arbing but anyway...
Yesterday i bet lay over 2.5 at an australian match. When i placed the bet, the team scored after about 5 seconds....my bet was still "in progress"....10 seconds or more after the goal, my bet was accepted at smarkets and i got burned.
Isnt it odd? Doesnt this platform suspend the markets when a goal is scored???? Its been over 24 hours and the bet is not voided. I tried to contact betinasia, they said they will check it.

When i used to do this type of cheating experimenting in betfair long long ago, they would void my bets. But if betinasia keeps the markets open during goals, i guess ill start going to stadiums and bet quicky after goals scored

I noticed pretty same time delay but only when bets went to pinnacle. Bet status was "danger" and it became accepted after 40-60 seconds, which is terrible. Although the price was raised during the waiting time, my bet has been accepted with the initial(lower) odds. This happens sometimes, not every time.

When a live bet is matched on exchanges I didn't notice some very long delays, but didn't try so many times tbh. For betfair delay is quite short, if I noticed well. Other exchanges have poorer liquidity for live matches, so betfair is usually with the best odds for inplay

Hi guys ,


the danger zone is a ''common '' problem for us bettors on all those asian bookies ( apart from exchanges ) . As soon as the team in possesion enters the last half of the pitch (on the attack ) bookies like pinnacle -sbo-sharp-isn etc. wil wait until the possesion is again considered as safe before they accept your bet . This is one of the highest forms of '' freerolls '' as could be said in poker terms for the bookies .


In reality , they have already accepted your bet in the odds shown on your screen with the exception that a goal is scored , a penalty or a red card is given in the immediate danger zone that the ball is played . If nothing of all those above happens , then your bet will appear as accepted in the next safe zone ( when the defending team takes back the possesion of the ball or a goalkeeper freekick takes place etc. ) . The bad thing about that is that a danger zone might be taking place for 3-4 minutes straight or even more. So what happens is that by the time your bet has been accepted the odds could be significantly higher than the time that you placed your bet. And ofcourse there is another bad scenario in this , that one of a goal being scored - a red card or a penalty is given in which case your bet will be voided .


I have '' paid '' a lot in terms of lost profits in such bets throught all those years , so my advice to that , is to just wait for the ball to be on an obvious safe zone to place your bets .
The #1 obvious safe condition / zone is when the attacking team takes a shot or makes a bad pass and the ball gets out of the football pitch , in which case the goalkeeper wil have to take a freekick. Ofcourse there are other safe conditions to get your bet accepted but I mentioned my favourite one , because usually for a goalkeeper freekick to be completed it takes at least 10-20 seconds demanding on the match , score and time left , so it gives you the time to place your bet and get instant acceptance , even though the stream you watch might be 10-15 seconds behind the live action.


I hope that was helpful ,


Cheers

It may be...but the main problem here seems to be the failure to suspend the over markets when a goal is scored. Betfair suspends markets, bet365 too, virtually its mandatory to do that. My 'no goal' bet was accepted after the goal lmao...

Someone is to blame here (except me), if smarkets got the bet before the goal, then is betiansia's fault that didnt inform in time that the bet was confirmed. I tried many times to cancel it but the 'x' button was disabled.

2nd reply:

When i arbed with betfair-bet365, i used to do the safe betting, while watching the live match..still dangerous but at least 365 was stable as f.... betfair too.. betinasia seems unbalanced and chaotic. One bet gets accepted fast, one gets accepted late..some never get accepted even if they have a lot of liquidity. But nonetheless, backing over after a goal is scored, was almost impossible to do...here on the other hand, looks doable and you can get away with it.

"danger zones" are indeed dangerous it is probably one of the biggest reasons why inexperienced bettors lose money doing live value betting/arbing. It can create a lot of fake value bets. For example a team is going to score a corner. Soft bookies might increase odds on total under corners because now the probably of another corner being scored is high while asian bookies will ignore it and keep total under corners odds the same. The alert services will show value bets/arbs but in reality they are fake ones because the "danger zone" rules between soft bookies and asian bookies are different and that's how you lose money...

What are the solutions? Here are few:

1. Use Betfair as a sharp reference because they have the same rules regarding "danger zones" as soft bookies.
2. Use fast live data feed to receive information about what is happening in the match.

Both of these solutions aren't perfect because Betfair doesn't have as many markets as Pinnacle and fast live data feed usually costs a lot. Other experienced members are welcome to add more solutions to the list.

mrJustice wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 05, 2024 12:35 pm

"danger zones" are indeed dangerous it is probably one of the biggest reasons why inexperienced bettors lose money doing live value betting/arbing. It can create a lot of fake value bets. For example a team is going to score a corner. Soft bookies might increase odds on total under corners because now the probably of another corner being scored is high while asian bookies will ignore it and keep total under corners odds the same. The alert services will show value bets/arbs but in reality they are fake ones because the "danger zone" rules between soft bookies and asian bookies are different and that's how you lose money...

What are the solutions? Here are few:

1. Use Betfair as a sharp reference because they have the same rules regarding "danger zones" as soft bookies.
2. Use fast live data feed to receive information about what is happening in the match.

Both of these solutions aren't perfect because Betfair doesn't have as many markets as Pinnacle and fast live data feed usually costs a lot. Other experienced members are welcome to add more solutions to the list.

I have experience live arbing with bet365 and betfair. Im new in the mollybet platform. I was testing it to see delays, bet acceptance etc. But when a goal is scored, its supposed to cancel my bet, or at least suspend the bets. That didnt happen here. It happens at 365, betfair and 95% of bookies and exchanges....but for whatever reason, smarkets didnt suspend it. Anyway i contacted support, they are checking the bet. No hopes whatsoever...live arbing with mollybet doesnt work.