Arbusers

arb12 wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 08, 2022 2:53 pm

Hello,
In my opinion companies like IBC, SBO, ISN and others based in Asia through their accounts offer some interesting odds if you know exactly what you are looking for in each individual market, especially in their strong markets. Their benchmark is always strong, minus their margins, if you know exactly what to look for. Even if you use them through your broker, I think you can use them as a strong reference for some local markets.

ex-hft wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 08, 2022 9:54 pm

arb12 wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 08, 2022 2:53 pm

Hello,
In my opinion companies like IBC, SBO, ISN and others based in Asia through their accounts offer some interesting odds if you know exactly what you are looking for in each individual market, especially in their strong markets. Their benchmark is always strong, minus their margins, if you know exactly what to look for. Even if you use them through your broker, I think you can use them as a strong reference for some local markets.

That's a very interesting point.
My view was that ISN is overall strong, and Sing is overall soft (I include Sing in the same category, not sure if that's what you meant). IBC and SBO I don't know how to access.

It's very. interesting if there are some markets where Sing / Pinnacle are stronger than ISN.

arb12 wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 09, 2022 1:17 am

Maybe it's due to the failure of Phua in the US or something, who knows?

arb12 wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 09, 2022 1:17 am

ex-hft wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 08, 2022 9:54 pm

arb12 wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 08, 2022 2:53 pm

Hello,
In my opinion companies like IBC, SBO, ISN and others based in Asia through their accounts offer some interesting odds if you know exactly what you are looking for in each individual market, especially in their strong markets. Their benchmark is always strong, minus their margins, if you know exactly what to look for. Even if you use them through your broker, I think you can use them as a strong reference for some local markets.

That's a very interesting point.
My view was that ISN is overall strong, and Sing is overall soft (I include Sing in the same category, not sure if that's what you meant). IBC and SBO I don't know how to access.

It's very. interesting if there are some markets where Sing / Pinnacle are stronger than ISN.

Sing agency is questionable when it comes to a sure payout, I mean when you accept the best odds offered and a big amount placed. In my practice, Sing is not leading at all, except in limited cases.
You are absolutely right about the ISN agency, I think they're so underrated by most players and the media, but don't you think it is a big advantage for semi-pros and pros? I'm sure you know what I mean.
I personally always count their unique odds and volumes in their strong markets. For instance, in Deutsche Bundesliga 2 for some Asian types of markets, they're maybe stronger than most people think. And many more markets, seek them for yourself. When I calculate my odds related to specific cases in South America and look for similar offers on the markets, often ISN offers something similar. And so on.
Today is not 2010 or 2015 and for some reason Minotaurs like SBO and IBC are semi-hidden nowadays. Maybe it's due to the failure of Phua in the US or something, who knows? I've got my reasons for seeking their services and you probably know one of those reasons - excellent odds for Favs. My observations over the years have shown me other advantages associated with them. Again, it's not 2010, and those benefits are very limited and rarer, but indispensable in some specific practice-important cases. Especially for Asian markets, and niche ones.
If your practice in that business is similar to the standard one, let's say like these two Sigmas or 95 percent of users, you probably don't need their services at all. Just use ISN, Pinnacle, Betfair and so on.
Last, but not least, the core Asian agencies like ISN simply read the probability theory very well in given games. When the published odds are far away from your computed ones, that's a big warning or a rare chance. Your model should be ready how to handle these cases. As it is said in popular culture, 危機 or 機會.

arbusers wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 09, 2022 5:26 am

arb12 wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 09, 2022 1:17 am

Maybe it's due to the failure of Phua in the US or something, who knows?

I had to google that.

ex-hft wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 09, 2022 6:12 am

arb12 wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 09, 2022 1:17 am

ex-hft wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 08, 2022 9:54 pm

That's a very interesting point.
My view was that ISN is overall strong, and Sing is overall soft (I include Sing in the same category, not sure if that's what you meant). IBC and SBO I don't know how to access.

It's very. interesting if there are some markets where Sing / Pinnacle are stronger than ISN.

Sing agency is questionable when it comes to a sure payout, I mean when you accept the best odds offered and a big amount placed. In my practice, Sing is not leading at all, except in limited cases.
You are absolutely right about the ISN agency, I think they're so underrated by most players and the media, but don't you think it is a big advantage for semi-pros and pros? I'm sure you know what I mean.
I personally always count their unique odds and volumes in their strong markets. For instance, in Deutsche Bundesliga 2 for some Asian types of markets, they're maybe stronger than most people think. And many more markets, seek them for yourself. When I calculate my odds related to specific cases in South America and look for similar offers on the markets, often ISN offers something similar. And so on.
Today is not 2010 or 2015 and for some reason Minotaurs like SBO and IBC are semi-hidden nowadays. Maybe it's due to the failure of Phua in the US or something, who knows? I've got my reasons for seeking their services and you probably know one of those reasons - excellent odds for Favs. My observations over the years have shown me other advantages associated with them. Again, it's not 2010, and those benefits are very limited and rarer, but indispensable in some specific practice-important cases. Especially for Asian markets, and niche ones.
If your practice in that business is similar to the standard one, let's say like these two Sigmas or 95 percent of users, you probably don't need their services at all. Just use ISN, Pinnacle, Betfair and so on.
Last, but not least, the core Asian agencies like ISN simply read the probability theory very well in given games. When the published odds are far away from your computed ones, that's a big warning or a rare chance. Your model should be ready how to handle these cases. As it is said in popular culture, 危機 or 機會.

I agree very much about ISN, and thanks for the info regarding IBC and SBO - they’re out of reach for me at the moment, but that’s some food for thought, as always.

mita8888 wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 08, 2022 1:34 am

hello friends, i just want to share my research last night that even agents like PREMIUMTRADINGS are offering IBC/MAXBET odds, not all match is offered by agent

I have checked with my IBC agent account vs broker account, from 10 opportunity i got from scanner, 9 of them are not available at broker account, while its all available on IBC direct account.

I have try BIA, PT, SM they all the same, not all match offered by the real bookies are offered at broker account

arb12 wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 09, 2022 11:34 am

Some particularities of some Minotaurs:
- Sometimes they provide excellent odds for Favs;
- In some niche markets in Asia, they're a strong reference of what to do or not to do if you read the game pretty well;
- In some markets where Pinny and some other Sharps do not provide odds, they may offer market odds and you may spot some moments when those odds are pure value;
- Nowadays, they very rarely set odds that outperform other Sharps. This continues for a few moments and the limited volume offered is accepted;
- Again, for some less popular markets like Volley, Aussie etc, you sometimes benefit through them if you expected your properly calculated odds;
- The same for exotic markets such as low popular Asian domestic Soccer / Basketball etc.;
- For lesser known outside of Asia and the Caribbean, such as new Cricket variants like T10 select tournaments and others non-popular markets, they may offer better odds than my computed ones;
- And so on and so forth, but I believe that most market participants don't need those ones.

mita8888 wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 12, 2022 2:19 am

im sorry if my typing is not clear.
what i mean is:

i try broker (premiumtrading) that offer maxbet
i turn on maxbet value scanner
opportunity occurs
i cannot find that particular match being offered by maxbet (only pin88) at broker
i recheck again on real maxbet site (agent account)
it was available
i repeat this process maybe i got 8:2 (8 not available at broker, small league, but high EV)

then i try other broker
i ask them for demo account, and ask them if this is the exact SAME odds with real account with money, they say yes
i turn on 3et value scanner
opportunity occurs
exact thing happen, the match odds only prodived by pin88
the i logged in to my 3et direct account
it was available


i dont know why, and right now i just searching for my backup (maxbet) account in case my agent does not want to accept me anymore

i have try demo on sportmarket, betinasia, premiumtradings , all of these have similar interface trading panel. the panel is very good

apoel81 wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 12, 2022 5:27 am

mita8888 wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 12, 2022 2:19 am

im sorry if my typing is not clear.
what i mean is:

i try broker (premiumtrading) that offer maxbet
i turn on maxbet value scanner
opportunity occurs
i cannot find that particular match being offered by maxbet (only pin88) at broker
i recheck again on real maxbet site (agent account)
it was available
i repeat this process maybe i got 8:2 (8 not available at broker, small league, but high EV)

then i try other broker
i ask them for demo account, and ask them if this is the exact SAME odds with real account with money, they say yes
i turn on 3et value scanner
opportunity occurs
exact thing happen, the match odds only prodived by pin88
the i logged in to my 3et direct account
it was available


i dont know why, and right now i just searching for my backup (maxbet) account in case my agent does not want to accept me anymore

i have try demo on sportmarket, betinasia, premiumtradings , all of these have similar interface trading panel. the panel is very good

which agent provide you direct maxbet and 3et accs mate?

mita8888 wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 17, 2022 7:56 am

apoel81 wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 12, 2022 5:27 am

mita8888 wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 12, 2022 2:19 am

im sorry if my typing is not clear.
what i mean is:

i try broker (premiumtrading) that offer maxbet
i turn on maxbet value scanner
opportunity occurs
i cannot find that particular match being offered by maxbet (only pin88) at broker
i recheck again on real maxbet site (agent account)
it was available
i repeat this process maybe i got 8:2 (8 not available at broker, small league, but high EV)

then i try other broker
i ask them for demo account, and ask them if this is the exact SAME odds with real account with money, they say yes
i turn on 3et value scanner
opportunity occurs
exact thing happen, the match odds only prodived by pin88
the i logged in to my 3et direct account
it was available


i dont know why, and right now i just searching for my backup (maxbet) account in case my agent does not want to accept me anymore

i have try demo on sportmarket, betinasia, premiumtradings , all of these have similar interface trading panel. the panel is very good

which agent provide you direct maxbet and 3et accs mate?

I use local bookies for maxbet account via credit line
3et accs via rebelbetting

apoel81 wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 17, 2022 11:46 am

mita8888 wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 17, 2022 7:56 am

apoel81 wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 12, 2022 5:27 am

which agent provide you direct maxbet and 3et accs mate?

I use local bookies for maxbet account via credit line
3et accs via rebelbetting

is rebelbetting trusted?

Have used them few years ago when they were providing 10bet accounts. At the end i lost profit due to vpn usage (around 2-3k). What surprised me though was that they had opened and verified the 10bet account on one of their employees name/address etc. Haven't used them since then.