Arbusers

Lumberjack wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 07, 2024 8:15 pm

And what does these numbers tell you? Let's drop Spil-ID

No, I never said that. These numbers tell me that after 2 months of implementation the result is a drop of more than 50% in shop betting action. This might have multiple explanations.

arbusers wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 08, 2024 4:13 pm

Lumberjack wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 07, 2024 8:15 pm

And what does these numbers tell you? Let's drop Spil-ID

No, I never said that. These numbers tell me that after 2 months of implementation the result is a drop of more than 50% in shop betting action. This might have multiple explanations.

I know, it's just my wishfull thinking as Spil-ID has put me out of business which is frustrating.
And I agree it's multiple explanation and Hopefully it does affect for the reasons its been implemented. And I guess a drop like this was probably expected in shop betting.

arbusers wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 26, 2023 2:42 pm

Lumberjack wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 21, 2023 8:15 pm

3) Stop betting and focus on other things
4) Relocate

It comes down to 3 or 4 for now. Right now my idea is to give "relocate" a chance. I have nailed it down to 2 countries that I believe meet my criteria, which Im gonna visit within the next 2 months. If I can see potiential I will focus on weekends and busy sports weeks/periods. My action is anyway 95% in the weekends so I actually don't need to relocate, just need to take a "longer trip" to the betting shop.

Wondering if you could share the names of these countries, but I know the answer is a No and you have very good reasons for this No.
Also, wondering if you really exhausted all solutions within your own country before taking your business abroad. In the end, how do you know the practical implementation of the new changes? Maybe things do not change that much and there are still ways to infiltrate and corrode the system?

I have now visit the 2 countries and neither one of them was a succes. It was Austria and Germany or more precise Berlin and Vienna. As descriped earlier, I was not even able to place a bet in Austria.
In Germany it is possible to bet and I tried both Tipico and X-tip. There were several other issues there though. First of all it is not automatically, so you need to print the couping and then go to the cashier to place the bet, often in a line full of punters waving their long coupons. Secondly you pay a 5% tax on each bet. Third there is not even close to as many markets as online, I was actually suprised to see that few. Maybe someone who has a big edge on some leagues thats offered in the shops could make it work, but that was not the case for myself. Limits were fine though.

To me it looks like it is getting harder in the "more developed countries" but maybe im wrong.


Does anyone have information about Czech Republic/Prague?

What about the bookmakers in the UK, like Ladbrokes, Coral, Betfred..., Do they still having the same odds? And in that case, anyone was able to scrape them?

Thank you.

CharlieSheen99 wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 16, 2024 5:43 pm

What about the bookmakers in the UK, like Ladbrokes, Coral, Betfred..., Do they still having the same odds? And in that case, anyone was able to scrape them?

Thank you.

I went to a few UK shops a few years ago (pre pandemic so might be different now) and most of them had the same odds. If you have been betting for a while you can usually identify an online bookie that shares the same odds as a physical one.

Btw, anyone has information on Bulgaria and Romania's betting shops? Might be there for a while, could be interesting if there were some betting shops.


About Croatia: from what I've read you have to pay a 5% tax on the stake and a tax on earnings? what if I'm only traveling, no tax resident in Croatia, do I still have to pay?

Chad wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 13, 2024 10:07 am

About Croatia: from what I've read you have to pay a 5% tax on the stake and a tax on earnings? what if I'm only traveling, no tax resident in Croatia, do I still have to pay?

Yes, everyone's paying 5% on the stake and 10% on the payout.

So if you bet 100e on odds 2.00 and win, with all those taxes you will receive 171 euros.

DD13 wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 13, 2024 2:27 pm

Chad wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 13, 2024 10:07 am

About Croatia: from what I've read you have to pay a 5% tax on the stake and a tax on earnings? what if I'm only traveling, no tax resident in Croatia, do I still have to pay?

Yes, everyone's paying 5% on the stake and 10% on the payout.

So if you bet 100e on odds 2.00 and win, with all those taxes you will receive 171 euros.

Then, it's impossible to arb.

Actually I made mistake, I just saw one of my bets taken on vacation there. They are taking 5% of the stake and 10% of the profit if the bet is winning.

So betting 100e on odds 2.00 would get you 180.5 euros.

But yes, it is really hard, if not impossible, to do arbing in Croatia.

Does anyone have any information about the Polish land based betting shop situation?

Are STS, Fortuna Entertainment, Totolotek, and Millenium all operating, and what is the status with Totolotek? Are shops open? And do they get their odds from Entaingroup or Merkur?

Lumberjack wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 26, 2024 1:00 pm

Does anyone have any information about the Polish land based betting shop situation?

Are STS, Fortuna Entertainment, Totolotek, and Millenium all operating, and what is the status with Totolotek? Are shops open? And do they get their odds from Entaingroup or Merkur?

Hello,

both Millenium and Totolotek closed their online and retail operations.

These companies have their shops opened:
- STS (~390 shops)
- Fortuna (~370 shops)
- LVbet (not sure if they have shops but they have betting terminals e.g. in sports bars, only 14 places in the whole country)
- Betfan (as above probably mostly betting terminals, ~86 places you can bet)
- Go+bet (~99 shops)

There is a 12% tax taken straight away from your stake + if your winning (from single/acca bet or from the line/combination within the system bet) exceeds 2280 you pay an additional 10% from your winning.

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There is a 12% tax taken straight away from your stake + if your winning (from single/acca bet or from the line/combination within the system bet) exceeds 2280 you pay an additional 10% from your winning.
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Any percentage taken directly from the stake makes arbitrage no successful.

CharlieSheen99 wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 27, 2024 3:45 pm

There is a 12% tax taken straight away from your stake + if your winning (from single/acca bet or from the line/combination within the system bet) exceeds 2280 you pay an additional 10% from your winning.
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Any percentage taken directly from the stake makes arbitrage no successful.
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Any? Ive been arbing polish bookies a lot and made significant profit despite 12% being deducted. Its all about niche you spotted and right games picked.

Kano wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 27, 2024 3:02 pm

Lumberjack wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 26, 2024 1:00 pm

Does anyone have any information about the Polish land based betting shop situation?

Are STS, Fortuna Entertainment, Totolotek, and Millenium all operating, and what is the status with Totolotek? Are shops open? And do they get their odds from Entaingroup or Merkur?

Hello,

both Millenium and Totolotek closed their online and retail operations.

These companies have their shops opened:
- STS (~390 shops)
- Fortuna (~370 shops)
- LVbet (not sure if they have shops but they have betting terminals e.g. in sports bars, only 14 places in the whole country)
- Betfan (as above probably mostly betting terminals, ~86 places you can bet)
- Go+bet (~99 shops)

There is a 12% tax taken straight away from your stake + if your winning (from single/acca bet or from the line/combination within the system bet) exceeds 2280 you pay an additional 10% from your winning.

Thank you!

Grant wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 27, 2024 7:11 pm

CharlieSheen99 wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 27, 2024 3:45 pm

There is a 12% tax taken straight away from your stake + if your winning (from single/acca bet or from the line/combination within the system bet) exceeds 2280 you pay an additional 10% from your winning.

Any percentage taken directly from the stake makes arbitrage no successful.
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Any? Ive been arbing polish bookies a lot and made significant profit despite 12% being deducted. Its all about niche you spotted and right games picked.
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In that case, you are taking over 12% of value in your bets.

Lumberjack wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 26, 2023 12:34 pm

It seems that a mandatory ID check/membership cards are more and more frequent way to go in a lot of European countries.

Austria Vienna:
Cashpoint (I have seen in shop)
Admiral (I heard)
Mandatory with membership ID cards to play and therefor limiting winners.

Belgium:
By 1. December all betting shops will have to do a mandatory local ID check on its customer.

Germany:
X-tip: I spoke with a support worker which said it also was mandatory with an ID card.

Maybe someone locally with more information can confirm these?

Also, does anyone have any information regards:

Superbet shops: Limits, automatic system, need membership card/ID?

Svenskaspel:
Do they have any betting shops? Or is it only in normal kiosk/supermarkets you can play?

Hi about belgium and the id check.
Here we used to have terminals in all news paper shops. Now because of a new law they have to dissapear in more and more places. These machines are from different brands: bingoal, ladbrokes, betfirst, bet90, ...

Anyway the machines in the newspaper shops don't have any id checking at all. Also the machines in actual betting shops don't check for id. If you go in a betting shop they just check your id when going inside to see if you are old enough to gamble and not on a black list for being a bad payer. (If you have an addiction they could decline you to go inside)

So it works like this: you go inside, show id, now you can gamble on any of their terminals who are the same used in news paper shops. So they don't limit players at all, in fact they don't even know what orders you placed. You play cash on the machines. The only thing the bookmaker knows is how much a certain shop has in profit or loss total over all their customers. And it's probably the only thing that matters for them... So this id verification on entry doesn't even matter hahaha

I think the only thing that might be suspicious is if you start cashing out big sums of money. They might ban people for doing big value bets but not for scraping some small gains here and there.