I understand that banks have some rules but when bank clerk or manager start to ask me why do i need my own money that i want to withdraw or what am i going to do with it and such stupid questions or try to get some information that is not their business and try to threatened to get the answer i dont comply.apoel81 wrote: Banks in E.U have rules and need to comply with them.
If your transactions don't fit to your customer profile, they are forced to ask you some questions. If you failed to answer them, they can close your account and even report you.
If you guys believe that you can scare a bank by threatening them that you will move your money from the bank, go ahead.
Have in mind that if a bank close your account, many banks will reject you when you apply for a new account. Something similar happened to the guy below in Germany:
wettforum.info/forum/bookie-section/buchmachertests/4913349-bankkonten-investigation
The OP was in this forum as well at some point, maybe he can tell us how his story ended if he is still around.
Call from bank
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I like your way of thinking, and I’m trying to adopt it as well. But unfortunately it’s just a future possibility; actually we can’t make a big expense via crypto, this is a big minusatilla9 wrote: I will wait and buy it with BTC or another crypto. For now, I have a house and a car already. This is the adoption phase and I'm just adopting to the new. It is all about awareness.
All this could sound delusional but I truly believe that this is the future. I'm trying to be the change I want to see in the world
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I'm glad I'm not alone the more guys like us the faster the change will come.
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I only wish there was a stablecoin connected to the euro, that was actually in use by crypto exchanges. There are a few but they are not yet supported by most exchanges.atilla9 wrote: Without people, there are no banks and there is no system.
Personally, I'm moving all my funds to a decentralized ecosystem. I'm able to pay for everything using a visa card connected to my Binance account. I do not need nor I don't want to use banks anymore.
This is the future.
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you've something similar though, USDT (stable connected to dollar) is what u need if you don't like btc volatilityAlfa1234 wrote:I only wish there was a stablecoin connected to the euro, that was actually in use by crypto exchanges. There are a few but they are not yet supported by most exchanges.atilla9 wrote: Without people, there are no banks and there is no system.
Personally, I'm moving all my funds to a decentralized ecosystem. I'm able to pay for everything using a visa card connected to my Binance account. I do not need nor I don't want to use banks anymore.
This is the future.
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You can also trade BTC for EUR as there is BTC/EUR market.
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There is EUR on Binance. You can connect it straight to your card.Alfa1234 wrote: I only wish there was a stablecoin connected to the euro, that was actually in use by crypto exchanges. There are a few but they are not yet supported by most exchanges.
You can also trade BTC for EUR as there is BTC/EUR market.
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You mean convert btc to eur immediately once they come on binance and keep them in eur same if it was a bank account ?atilla9 wrote:There is EUR on Binance. You can connect it straight to your card.Alfa1234 wrote: I only wish there was a stablecoin connected to the euro, that was actually in use by crypto exchanges. There are a few but they are not yet supported by most exchanges.
You can also trade BTC for EUR as there is BTC/EUR market.
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If there was a stablecoin you could move the euro coins between exchanges, having real fiat euros does not help. There is USDT, BUSD, HUSD and PAX USD, all connected to the dollar but nothing similar in use for euros. It would allow for easy payments, transfers etc without having to convert to another crypto all the time and deal with the volatility.
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Personally, I don't like this idea. I would prefer a euro stable coin as a final solution.
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Yes, this is what I mean. This allows to use euro but lacks flexibility as Alfa1234 mentioned.Camma23 wrote: You mean convert btc to eur immediately once they come on binance and keep them in eur same if it was a bank account ?
Personally, I don't like this idea. I would prefer a euro stable coin as a final solution.
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that's a different story from decentralized currency bcs your money are owned by binance (like if it was on any other common wallet / bank account). Cryptocurriences are owned by you when you keep them on a cold wallet. If i'm wrong, pls correct meatilla9 wrote:Yes, this is what I mean. This allows to use euro but lacks flexibility as Alfa1234 mentioned.Camma23 wrote: You mean convert btc to eur immediately once they come on binance and keep them in eur same if it was a bank account ?
Personally, I don't like this idea. I would prefer a euro stable coin as a final solution.
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Hence the stablecoin, you could store your euro coins on any (cold) wallet, like you can with the dollar stablecoins now.Camma23 wrote:that's a different story from decentralized currency bcs your money are owned by binance (like if it was on any other common wallet / bank account). Cryptocurriences are owned by you when you keep them on a cold wallet. If i'm wrong, pls correct meatilla9 wrote:Yes, this is what I mean. This allows to use euro but lacks flexibility as Alfa1234 mentioned.Camma23 wrote: You mean convert btc to eur immediately once they come on binance and keep them in eur same if it was a bank account ?
Personally, I don't like this idea. I would prefer a euro stable coin as a final solution.
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You are absolutely correct here. But still, it's better than keeping funds in a bank.
But you can keep your crypto in your wallet and only a small part of it on Binance. Just for your daily needs. You can always send some more from your private wallet to exchange.
I would not store all my funds on the exchange, it would be silly.
But you can keep your crypto in your wallet and only a small part of it on Binance. Just for your daily needs. You can always send some more from your private wallet to exchange.
I would not store all my funds on the exchange, it would be silly.
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Btw, don t go OT, let’s wait for a reply from gamblehappier. We don’t know yet in which country this happened and if betting money were they real problem
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Exactly, we got the point. Cold wallet is safe but exchange isn’t , same as any other online account.atilla9 wrote: You are absolutely correct here. But still, it's better than keeping funds in a bank.
But you can keep your crypto in your wallet and only a small part of it on Binance. Just for your daily needs. You can always send some more from your private wallet to exchange.
I would not store all my funds on the exchange, it would be silly.
Btw, don t go OT, let’s wait for a reply from gamblehappier. We don’t know yet in which country this happened and if betting money were they real problem
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Sorry guys for late update.I will say what happened but after a lot of think i will try to provide some solutions that might help you some of you.
If we face a problem,we should as a community provide some solutions.
We should also cooperate in order to become better and share our situation/knowledge.
It is sure that most experienced members have faced this situation.
First of all they ask me about trasnactions abroad which are related mainly to stocks.
Secondly about some big deposits as a pro bettor to sport betting sites.
And finally about crypto transactions(low amount).So they do not like both of these 3 types of investements.
Acutally they do not like big transactions and they said to me that i should heavily reduce the volume of transactions or else they will close my bank account.Also they told me that this is not their fault
and they got notice rules from Europe.
The funny point is that they said to me that this Europe notice will disappear/reduce and they will not close my account if i deposit more than 20k in my bank account,which of course should be available.
For those who ask the country is Greece.I do not think that any smart guy will want to have a lot of capital to the bank when there are so a lot of investements(sport betting,stocks,crypto etc..)
They said also to me that if i go to another bank the same will happen(if i move this amount of money).
In general the bank employee was too polite and i do not think that this situation is his fault(he should obay to rules).
Anyway,every obstacle will make us smarter.So i will try to post some solutions in order to help you to reduce the volume of banks and do not face this situation.
1)Use Paysafe,wallets,viva wallets and in general cards that you deposit easily without bank be the broker.
2)Create more local bank accounts.As time goes,more banks will appear which means more opportunites to reduce volume via banks.
3)Split your capital to all local bank accounts
4)Create global banks
5)Revolut,N25,Transferwise
6)Convert cash to bitcoin and spend your balance with bitcoin cards.In general convert some of your capital and spend some balance to bitcoin
7)Spend as much as you can of your winning to all cards that do not include banks(Neteller,Skrill,Ecopayz etc..).Withdraw also from the atms with these cards.
8)Increase tax to move more funds(there is the rule of 20/100 spending of your tax income,but i believe that if you spend-transfer much more(even 100/100) you may not have problem)
9)Learn-search in which countries you can easily open bank accounts(even with penny renting or not).I am sure that there are countries in which you can open bank accounts even without to rent.
10)Deposits to sportbooks or make transactions via physical sport betting shops.
11)Use Paypal,Transfewise,Moneygram or any other company if you want to send money without bank
12)Avoid card spending and pay in general with banks.Better option is cash in order to avoid bank attention.
13)Deposit some balance to your bank account(i know it is not good option,as interest rate is silly,worst investement) in order to move more funds.Not the best choice.
14)Cooperate with siblings-friends.
15)Use another name bank account
16) Go abroad-rent at cheap countries and bet at physical shops.In this way you increase too much your sport betting opportunities and you also deposit at physical shops,so you avoid banks.
17)Change your surname
Most of these ways except to help you from reduce the volume of transactions(deposits/withdrawals/transfers,which is the main point of the topic),will give you a lot of sport betting opportunities,especially if you travel abroad (not now due to covid).
This is my experience from call of bank.I hope to find the solutions useful and never happen to any of you.
If we face a problem,we should as a community provide some solutions.
We should also cooperate in order to become better and share our situation/knowledge.
It is sure that most experienced members have faced this situation.
First of all they ask me about trasnactions abroad which are related mainly to stocks.
Secondly about some big deposits as a pro bettor to sport betting sites.
And finally about crypto transactions(low amount).So they do not like both of these 3 types of investements.
Acutally they do not like big transactions and they said to me that i should heavily reduce the volume of transactions or else they will close my bank account.Also they told me that this is not their fault
and they got notice rules from Europe.
The funny point is that they said to me that this Europe notice will disappear/reduce and they will not close my account if i deposit more than 20k in my bank account,which of course should be available.
For those who ask the country is Greece.I do not think that any smart guy will want to have a lot of capital to the bank when there are so a lot of investements(sport betting,stocks,crypto etc..)
They said also to me that if i go to another bank the same will happen(if i move this amount of money).
In general the bank employee was too polite and i do not think that this situation is his fault(he should obay to rules).
Anyway,every obstacle will make us smarter.So i will try to post some solutions in order to help you to reduce the volume of banks and do not face this situation.
1)Use Paysafe,wallets,viva wallets and in general cards that you deposit easily without bank be the broker.
2)Create more local bank accounts.As time goes,more banks will appear which means more opportunites to reduce volume via banks.
3)Split your capital to all local bank accounts
4)Create global banks
5)Revolut,N25,Transferwise
6)Convert cash to bitcoin and spend your balance with bitcoin cards.In general convert some of your capital and spend some balance to bitcoin
7)Spend as much as you can of your winning to all cards that do not include banks(Neteller,Skrill,Ecopayz etc..).Withdraw also from the atms with these cards.
8)Increase tax to move more funds(there is the rule of 20/100 spending of your tax income,but i believe that if you spend-transfer much more(even 100/100) you may not have problem)
9)Learn-search in which countries you can easily open bank accounts(even with penny renting or not).I am sure that there are countries in which you can open bank accounts even without to rent.
10)Deposits to sportbooks or make transactions via physical sport betting shops.
11)Use Paypal,Transfewise,Moneygram or any other company if you want to send money without bank
12)Avoid card spending and pay in general with banks.Better option is cash in order to avoid bank attention.
13)Deposit some balance to your bank account(i know it is not good option,as interest rate is silly,worst investement) in order to move more funds.Not the best choice.
14)Cooperate with siblings-friends.
15)Use another name bank account
16) Go abroad-rent at cheap countries and bet at physical shops.In this way you increase too much your sport betting opportunities and you also deposit at physical shops,so you avoid banks.
17)Change your surname
Most of these ways except to help you from reduce the volume of transactions(deposits/withdrawals/transfers,which is the main point of the topic),will give you a lot of sport betting opportunities,especially if you travel abroad (not now due to covid).
This is my experience from call of bank.I hope to find the solutions useful and never happen to any of you.
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thanks... what kind of volumes per month that were passing through bank you are talking about ?
(about viva i think should be avoided, i heard they send your spending amount to the goverment and could be tax if its not covered by declared earnings)
(about viva i think should be avoided, i heard they send your spending amount to the goverment and could be tax if its not covered by declared earnings)