Arbusers

CharlieSheen99 wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:33 pm

mrJustice wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 30, 2023 2:15 pm

If the question is referred to me then yes I still run bot projects

Yes, it was referred to you.

This bot projects still requiring Pinnacle live odds?
As far as i know, their API costs 6k/monthly, and if you don't pay it out, you have a delay.
Of course, you can sign in, and read the odds, but most probably you will get banned soon or later.

robert dreyfus wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:33 pm

This takes me back, to 2003 in fact, when people were trying to get arbs on at betfair before anyone else.
My friend, let me tell you one truth. I have been making over £100 per day, every day, since 2003 by placing arbs manually in UK markets. Sometimes I make over £1000 per day, but never less than £100. Know what market to look at, at when to look at it, and you'll never get banned.
Never get greedy, if you want to make more than £200-250k a year, then learn about candlesticks and hotkeys and go into day trading
I know BeautifulSoup, Requests and Selenium inside out, but can tell you that your antics will get shut down in one week no matter the precautions you take and no matter which sportsbooks and exchanges you target. Amazingly also, I regularly find arbs at 50% of back stake manually, sometimes over 100%!, but have never been able to find much more than 30% with an automated approach because the software simply cannot poll all the markets fast enough.
Be smart, do it manually, spend the time that you save not starting main.py in finding finding your own sweet spots.

mrJustice wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 01, 2023 7:04 am

CharlieSheen99 wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:33 pm

mrJustice wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 30, 2023 2:15 pm

If the question is referred to me then yes I still run bot projects

Yes, it was referred to you.

This bot projects still requiring Pinnacle live odds?
As far as i know, their API costs 6k/monthly, and if you don't pay it out, you have a delay.
Of course, you can sign in, and read the odds, but most probably you will get banned soon or later.

Yes, the bot project still requires Pinnacle live odds. I am not getting it directly from Pinnacle API though, I am getting it through third party API which is much cheaper. There is about 10 seconds delay but for soccer value betting it is not a big deal.

Using Pinnacle as a reference works pretty well for me but lately I've been wondering if there are better ways to find value bets, for example comparing soft bookie odds against average market odds. I know betburger does this alternative approach. Anyway has experience with it?

CharlieSheen99 wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 01, 2023 11:21 am

mrJustice wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 01, 2023 7:04 am

CharlieSheen99 wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:33 pm

Yes, it was referred to you.

This bot projects still requiring Pinnacle live odds?
As far as i know, their API costs 6k/monthly, and if you don't pay it out, you have a delay.
Of course, you can sign in, and read the odds, but most probably you will get banned soon or later.

Yes, the bot project still requires Pinnacle live odds. I am not getting it directly from Pinnacle API though, I am getting it through third party API which is much cheaper. There is about 10 seconds delay but for soccer value betting it is not a big deal.

Using Pinnacle as a reference works pretty well for me but lately I've been wondering if there are better ways to find value bets, for example comparing soft bookie odds against average market odds. I know betburger does this alternative approach. Anyway has experience with it?

Okkk, it was exactly what i thought. API approach to avoid the 6k. Thank you.

Pd: don't you think that you can get an API without this delay?

About Average odds. I tried, but Pinnacle inspires me more confidence. Maybe it's because i have some old school techniques.

mrJustice wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 01, 2023 1:52 pm

CharlieSheen99 wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 01, 2023 11:21 am

mrJustice wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 01, 2023 7:04 am

Yes, the bot project still requires Pinnacle live odds. I am not getting it directly from Pinnacle API though, I am getting it through third party API which is much cheaper. There is about 10 seconds delay but for soccer value betting it is not a big deal.

Using Pinnacle as a reference works pretty well for me but lately I've been wondering if there are better ways to find value bets, for example comparing soft bookie odds against average market odds. I know betburger does this alternative approach. Anyway has experience with it?

Okkk, it was exactly what i thought. API approach to avoid the 6k. Thank you.

Pd: don't you think that you can get an API without this delay?

About Average odds. I tried, but Pinnacle inspires me more confidence. Maybe it's because i have some old school techniques.

To be honest I am not sure how to get Pinnacle odds with no delay. Even if you use their official API you have to wait at least 6 seconds before making new odds request. If you try to scrape odds directly from their site then it will also have delay - the odds are refreshed once in every 20 seconds for live. They really care about protecting their odds.

Another issue with using Pinnacle for soccer live value betting is different rules than soft bookies. I am talking about "danger zones". Pinnacle will not accept live bet in soccer until dangerous moment ends and the ball is safe. Sometimes the bet is processed for over a minute before Pinnacle accepts it and it will reject it if goal is scored during bet processing time. This is one of the reasons why some people lose money in live value betting

CharlieSheen99 wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 01, 2023 2:44 pm

mrJustice wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 01, 2023 1:52 pm

CharlieSheen99 wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 01, 2023 11:21 am

Okkk, it was exactly what i thought. API approach to avoid the 6k. Thank you.

Pd: don't you think that you can get an API without this delay?

About Average odds. I tried, but Pinnacle inspires me more confidence. Maybe it's because i have some old school techniques.

To be honest I am not sure how to get Pinnacle odds with no delay. Even if you use their official API you have to wait at least 6 seconds before making new odds request. If you try to scrape odds directly from their site then it will also have delay - the odds are refreshed once in every 20 seconds for live. They really care about protecting their odds.

Another issue with using Pinnacle for soccer live value betting is different rules than soft bookies. I am talking about "danger zones". Pinnacle will not accept live bet in soccer until dangerous moment ends and the ball is safe. Sometimes the bet is processed for over a minute before Pinnacle accepts it and it will reject it if goal is scored during bet processing time. This is one of the reasons why some people lose money in live value betting

Yes, even having their API, you cannot make a request every second. How do you think that do the alert services to have their odds updated? Of course it looks like Betburger made some kind of agreement with Pinnacle. But Oddstorm, or BOV?

robert dreyfus wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:24 am

MrJustice:

It is not about scanning FASTER! As I said in my original post, you can flick through a handful of markets and find the arbs in the seconds that they exist.
The API lag for the bot means that the above arb has already disappeared.
Everyone trusts the scans to produce real-time data on arbs - because it's a computer, right ;-) , just like they trust a live match on television not to lag the even itself.

Most people on this site need to stop underestimating themselves.

mrJustice wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 01, 2023 7:04 am

Yes, the bot project still requires Pinnacle live odds. I am not getting it directly from Pinnacle API though, I am getting it through third party API which is much cheaper. There is about 10 seconds delay but for soccer value betting it is not a big deal.

Using Pinnacle as a reference works pretty well for me but lately I've been wondering if there are better ways to find value bets, for example comparing soft bookie odds against average market odds. I know betburger does this alternative approach. Anyway has experience with it?

CharlieSheen99 wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 09, 2023 4:47 pm

mrJustice wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 01, 2023 7:04 am

Yes, the bot project still requires Pinnacle live odds. I am not getting it directly from Pinnacle API though, I am getting it through third party API which is much cheaper. There is about 10 seconds delay but for soccer value betting it is not a big deal.

Using Pinnacle as a reference works pretty well for me but lately I've been wondering if there are better ways to find value bets, for example comparing soft bookie odds against average market odds. I know betburger does this alternative approach. Anyway has experience with it?

Could i know the API that you are using?