Somewhere on the forum, someone said when they emailed the Orbit regulator, later that helped.
Another possibility: account-suspended-orbit-t7703/87940#p87940
Orbit account suspended
-
arb12
- Totally Pro
- Karma: 24
Post
Somewhere on the forum, someone said when they emailed the Orbit regulator, later that helped.
Another possibility: account-suspended-orbit-t7703/87940#p87940
Re: Orbit account suspended
Somewhere on the forum, someone said when they emailed the Orbit regulator, later that helped.
Another possibility: account-suspended-orbit-t7703/87940#p87940
- pkpunter
- To become a Pro
- Karma: 9
Post
Re: Orbit account suspended
Go ahead guys with your business on Orbit, without informing or thinking, then when the bad surprise arrives ,without explanations,,,and you did everything regular, there will be cocks, I can assure you , a friend, trust me.
And be careful, I don't think Bia is not a reliable agent, as someone wrote, but I think there is a big problem with the orbit policy, so you cannot consider your funds safe with them, at least for the availability, I don't think and I hope they want and they can steal them without a tangible justification. We update ourselves....
And be careful, I don't think Bia is not a reliable agent, as someone wrote, but I think there is a big problem with the orbit policy, so you cannot consider your funds safe with them, at least for the availability, I don't think and I hope they want and they can steal them without a tangible justification. We update ourselves....
- pkpunter
- To become a Pro
- Karma: 9
Post
Re: Orbit account suspended
Thanks Friend for the suggestion, however I had already read the post, I tried the solution, but the Curacao regulator replied that it is not able to provide me with his helparb12 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 04, 2023 8:34 pm
Somewhere on the forum, someone said when they emailed the Orbit regulator, later that helped.
Another possibility: account-suspended-orbit-t7703/87940#p87940
- pkpunter
- To become a Pro
- Karma: 9
Post
Re: Orbit account suspended
In fact, seems that these gentlemen can do what they want with our money without providing any explanation,
not to us private individuals, not to the agents who act as a vehicle, without any regulator who guarantees minimal security,
Do you feel safe?
Anyone of the authorities involved is welcome to this post to provide his point of view. Always available
Thank you.
Best regards . An honest Worker
not to us private individuals, not to the agents who act as a vehicle, without any regulator who guarantees minimal security,
Do you feel safe?
Anyone of the authorities involved is welcome to this post to provide his point of view. Always available
Thank you.
Best regards . An honest Worker
- Bastard
- Has experience
- Karma: 12
Post
Re: Orbit account suspended
I know some stories from close ppl to me and trust me don't belive BIA or any other agent and esspecialy Orbit. Not to mention some other stuff that I don't want to go public.
Only thing you can do is to put pressure on BIA, Orbit, regulator.
Ask BIA or Orbit to specify what exactly is wrong with your account, and ask them to tell you which bets are suspicious (if any).
Only thing you can do is to put pressure on BIA, Orbit, regulator.
Ask BIA or Orbit to specify what exactly is wrong with your account, and ask them to tell you which bets are suspicious (if any).
- pkpunter
- To become a Pro
- Karma: 9
Post
Re: Orbit account suspended
First of all thanks again for your intervention, opinion and advice.
I have already asked for several times if there is a particular motivation for what is happening (suspicious bets etc ....)
I have no possibility of writing directly to ORbit or regulatory body that seems to also not exist as a Curacao says not to be able to do anything.
The answer always remains the same by Bia: "It is a normal procedure that is often conducted by Orbit on its customers, we recognize the importance of your funds, of your time, and your value as an excellent customer, we do the whole possible to solicit your case daily and have updates, we ask you patience and thanks to you for this "
I do not sincerely know what I can do more to improve this situation or at least to have a little clarity.
Daily updates are requested by my agent to what they tell me but from August 10 to today I have never had the slightest update or clarification.
I remain in limbo, this is the thing that seems most absurd to me.
And in any case I keep and I have all the emails that verify the above if useful.
I will be repetitive but it seems really strange to me that none of the interested parties think it is appropriate to intervene here to give explanations to users of an international forum specialized in the sector.
I always remain available and transparent for any discussion.
Thanks again for the availability that is given to me here to exhibit this case.
I have already asked for several times if there is a particular motivation for what is happening (suspicious bets etc ....)
I have no possibility of writing directly to ORbit or regulatory body that seems to also not exist as a Curacao says not to be able to do anything.
The answer always remains the same by Bia: "It is a normal procedure that is often conducted by Orbit on its customers, we recognize the importance of your funds, of your time, and your value as an excellent customer, we do the whole possible to solicit your case daily and have updates, we ask you patience and thanks to you for this "
I do not sincerely know what I can do more to improve this situation or at least to have a little clarity.
Daily updates are requested by my agent to what they tell me but from August 10 to today I have never had the slightest update or clarification.
I remain in limbo, this is the thing that seems most absurd to me.
And in any case I keep and I have all the emails that verify the above if useful.
I will be repetitive but it seems really strange to me that none of the interested parties think it is appropriate to intervene here to give explanations to users of an international forum specialized in the sector.
I always remain available and transparent for any discussion.
Thanks again for the availability that is given to me here to exhibit this case.
- schollionär
- Gaining experience
- Karma: 2
Post
Re: Orbit account suspended
Hi pkpunter, your case is really interesting from the outside. I wish BIA or Orbit, or both would comment on it. The lack of transparency is really an issue I see with Orbit but also with BIA over the last years. Most people here will remember the "Cricket-Situation" earlier this year. I personally also think that BIA is a solid company but their reputation took some hits lately. I would prefer to see them commenting on this stuff, rather than being quiet and let time solve the problems. Its not my business, but i dont like the strategy.
I'm happy that this forum gives you the possibility to show your case to a wider public, although the forum earns money as an BIA affiliate. So I think also arbusers could have a natural interest in BIA having a good reputation.
As far as I see it, you placed arbitrage bets on a market which orbit took off the table. It seems likely that your suspension is somehow linked to this. Would you mind explaning your bets in this market a little bit more concrete? For us as readers, we can not really judge what you did and if there is something involved which could be considered as fraudulent behaviour. This is nothing personal, but there is obviously an incentive for you to present your story in a way that helps your interests. And maybe we miss someting of the whole picture.
Anyways I wish you the best of luck and I wish all of us that we get a clearer picture of what is going on here. I totally agree with you, that orbit should put their cards on the table and tell you, why they suspended your account. And BIA should stop telling the"normal betting overview" story, i dont think anyone is buying this.
I'm happy that this forum gives you the possibility to show your case to a wider public, although the forum earns money as an BIA affiliate. So I think also arbusers could have a natural interest in BIA having a good reputation.
As far as I see it, you placed arbitrage bets on a market which orbit took off the table. It seems likely that your suspension is somehow linked to this. Would you mind explaning your bets in this market a little bit more concrete? For us as readers, we can not really judge what you did and if there is something involved which could be considered as fraudulent behaviour. This is nothing personal, but there is obviously an incentive for you to present your story in a way that helps your interests. And maybe we miss someting of the whole picture.
Anyways I wish you the best of luck and I wish all of us that we get a clearer picture of what is going on here. I totally agree with you, that orbit should put their cards on the table and tell you, why they suspended your account. And BIA should stop telling the"normal betting overview" story, i dont think anyone is buying this.
-
arbusers
- Administrator
- Contact:
- Karma: 626
Post
We want the smart betting community to survive and flourish, because the forum's existence depends on the existence of the community. If players leave this sphere one after another, then we are also doomed. If companies offering services to our community fail, or stop offering services to the community, we are again doomed. Actually, there is no other actor in this industry that stakes much in the well being and the existence of the ecosystem.
Re: Orbit account suspended
schollionär wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2023 12:54 pmI'm happy that this forum gives you the possibility to show your case to a wider public, although the forum earns money as an BIA affiliate. So I think also arbusers could have a natural interest in BIA having a good reputation.
We want the smart betting community to survive and flourish, because the forum's existence depends on the existence of the community. If players leave this sphere one after another, then we are also doomed. If companies offering services to our community fail, or stop offering services to the community, we are again doomed. Actually, there is no other actor in this industry that stakes much in the well being and the existence of the ecosystem.
- pkpunter
- To become a Pro
- Karma: 9
Post
Yes, what you said is right and I agree, with regard to that type of Betting Partern in particular it was correct score of the first set in tennis.
It is my hypothesis not confirmed because as you have understood nothing was communicated to me.
But there are some coincidences that lead me to suspect this. The day of the suspension of my account coincides with the removal of that orbit market.
In recent months I have had the opportunity to bet considerable amounts on this market, thanks to a good organization with my local books (Sisal, Snai, Goldbet) especially and a orbit account rightly profiled as strongly loser (large lay stakes)
300 to 3000 on odds between 3.50 and 150 was my stake at locals, so you can imagine the roll that I had to have available.
Let's say that I also noticed that from the beginning of June to August my orbit account has definitely gone to winning on this market, about 15k, even if it is not possible to account separately for orbit markets but approaching these are the numbers.
I repeat it is only my hypothesis ,not confirmed ,that the trigger could have been this.
Wanting to smile I say that I did not do it absolutely on purpose to win, indeed assuming that the value was on the local I went only on orbit to take my stake back.
I hope I have been exhaustive on this point and to have clarified your welcome curiosity.
Thanks for the support . See you soon we update.
Re: Orbit account suspended
Hi good evening, thanks for your intervention.schollionär wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2023 12:54 pmHi pkpunter, your case is really interesting from the outside. I wish BIA or Orbit, or both would comment on it. The lack of transparency is really an issue I see with Orbit but also with BIA over the last years. Most people here will remember the "Cricket-Situation" earlier this year. I personally also think that BIA is a solid company but their reputation took some hits lately. I would prefer to see them commenting on this stuff, rather than being quiet and let time solve the problems. Its not my business, but i dont like the strategy.
I'm happy that this forum gives you the possibility to show your case to a wider public, although the forum earns money as an BIA affiliate. So I think also arbusers could have a natural interest in BIA having a good reputation.
As far as I see it, you placed arbitrage bets on a market which orbit took off the table. It seems likely that your suspension is somehow linked to this. Would you mind explaning your bets in this market a little bit more concrete? For us as readers, we can not really judge what you did and if there is something involved which could be considered as fraudulent behaviour. This is nothing personal, but there is obviously an incentive for you to present your story in a way that helps your interests. And maybe we miss someting of the whole picture.
Anyways I wish you the best of luck and I wish all of us that we get a clearer picture of what is going on here. I totally agree with you, that orbit should put their cards on the table and tell you, why they suspended your account. And BIA should stop telling the"normal betting overview" story, i dont think anyone is buying this.
Yes, what you said is right and I agree, with regard to that type of Betting Partern in particular it was correct score of the first set in tennis.
It is my hypothesis not confirmed because as you have understood nothing was communicated to me.
But there are some coincidences that lead me to suspect this. The day of the suspension of my account coincides with the removal of that orbit market.
In recent months I have had the opportunity to bet considerable amounts on this market, thanks to a good organization with my local books (Sisal, Snai, Goldbet) especially and a orbit account rightly profiled as strongly loser (large lay stakes)
300 to 3000 on odds between 3.50 and 150 was my stake at locals, so you can imagine the roll that I had to have available.
Let's say that I also noticed that from the beginning of June to August my orbit account has definitely gone to winning on this market, about 15k, even if it is not possible to account separately for orbit markets but approaching these are the numbers.
I repeat it is only my hypothesis ,not confirmed ,that the trigger could have been this.
Wanting to smile I say that I did not do it absolutely on purpose to win, indeed assuming that the value was on the local I went only on orbit to take my stake back.
I hope I have been exhaustive on this point and to have clarified your welcome curiosity.
Thanks for the support . See you soon we update.
- pkpunter
- To become a Pro
- Karma: 9
Post
Re: Orbit account suspended
I would like to add that if this was the motivation, when it happened to me in career, to "weigh a hand" wrong, I have always paid my choices, re -evaluated and went on.
As I think should do a professional in front of a customer who has always behaved regularly.
Moreover, I am absolutely not certain that there was value in the long term from orbit/fair on that market, still present on Betfair.uk indeed, but clearly with minors liquidities, it could have been simply a negative variance that we are all destined to suffer .. . Even the best (small off topic)
As I think should do a professional in front of a customer who has always behaved regularly.
Moreover, I am absolutely not certain that there was value in the long term from orbit/fair on that market, still present on Betfair.uk indeed, but clearly with minors liquidities, it could have been simply a negative variance that we are all destined to suffer .. . Even the best (small off topic)
- schollionär
- Gaining experience
- Karma: 2
Post
You (help to self-) educate people to beat the market. A market which only can flourish if so-called dumb money is put into it on regulary basis. I'm pretty sure you know about this dilemma by yourself, but what do you think of the future of this ecosystem. Don't you think there can be a point in time where the relation between smart and dumbmoney is just too bad for regular bookmakers. I believe we are already seeing the signs for a few years now.
In a perfect world where people wouldn't be too greedy this might work, but only few folks who develop the skillset to exploit the system for their own well-being can be enough to substantially damage the ecosystem you are talking about. But future will tell, Thank you for your input anyways.
Re: Orbit account suspended
I dont want to be too off-topic, but isn't your business by definition a problem for the gambling sector.arbusers wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2023 1:22 pmschollionär wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2023 12:54 pmI'm happy that this forum gives you the possibility to show your case to a wider public, although the forum earns money as an BIA affiliate. So I think also arbusers could have a natural interest in BIA having a good reputation.
We want the smart betting community to survive and flourish, because the forum's existence depends on the existence of the community. If players leave this sphere one after another, then we are also doomed. If companies offering services to our community fail, or stop offering services to the community, we are again doomed. Actually, there is no other actor in this industry that stakes much in the well being and the existence of the ecosystem.
You (help to self-) educate people to beat the market. A market which only can flourish if so-called dumb money is put into it on regulary basis. I'm pretty sure you know about this dilemma by yourself, but what do you think of the future of this ecosystem. Don't you think there can be a point in time where the relation between smart and dumbmoney is just too bad for regular bookmakers. I believe we are already seeing the signs for a few years now.
In a perfect world where people wouldn't be too greedy this might work, but only few folks who develop the skillset to exploit the system for their own well-being can be enough to substantially damage the ecosystem you are talking about. But future will tell, Thank you for your input anyways.
Last edited by schollionär on Tue Sep 05, 2023 5:49 pm, edited 1 time in total.
- schollionär
- Gaining experience
- Karma: 2
Post
Apart from that even if your story is not the (whole) truth their lack of transparency is a problem for its own.
Re: Orbit account suspended
Thank you for the explanation of what you where doing. I tend to believe it (if that matters for anyone). So, if it's like that, we have a serious problem with orbit, if they first flag you as loser and then when variance hits them, giving you the red card and probably making up some story. If stories like this coming up more regularly in the near future, this will back-fire on them heavily.pkpunter wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2023 5:22 pmI would like to add that if this was the motivation, when it happened to me in career, to "weigh a hand" wrong, I have always paid my choices, re -evaluated and went on.
As I think should do a professional in front of a customer who has always behaved regularly.
Moreover, I am absolutely not certain that there was value in the long term from orbit/fair on that market, still present on Betfair.uk indeed, but clearly with minors liquidities, it could have been simply a negative variance that we are all destined to suffer .. . Even the best (small off topic)
Apart from that even if your story is not the (whole) truth their lack of transparency is a problem for its own.
- voodoo
- Has experience
- Karma: 17
-
arbusers
- Administrator
- Contact:
- Karma: 626
Post
We all compete to take as much as we can from this dump money. Bookmakers have every interest in the world (but not the right) to kick away the smart betting that takes part of the dump money. They want only themselves to stay in the business so they take the lion's share.
Re: Orbit account suspended
schollionär wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2023 5:45 pmYou (help to self-) educate people to beat the market. A market which only can flourish if so-called dumb money is put into it on regulary basis. I'm pretty sure you know about this dilemma by yourself, but what do you think of the future of this ecosystem. Don't you think there can be a point in time where the relation between smart and dumbmoney is just too bad for regular bookmakers. I believe we are already seeing the signs for a few years now.
In a perfect world where people wouldn't be too greedy this might work, but only few folks who develop the skillset to exploit the system for their own well-being can be enough to substantially damage the ecosystem you are talking about. But future will tell, Thank you for your input anyways.
We all compete to take as much as we can from this dump money. Bookmakers have every interest in the world (but not the right) to kick away the smart betting that takes part of the dump money. They want only themselves to stay in the business so they take the lion's share.
- pkpunter
- To become a Pro
- Karma: 9
Post
I can post here all wanting bet for bet both from Orbit (if it does not spend too much time and the Max chronology three months is not canceled) and from my locals, as for winnings above 2000 euros you must make a documented anti -recycling money procedure here in Italy .
I don't think it is appropriate to publish my winnings at the Locals for a privacy issue, numerous have been made in agencies that report their address on the ticket.
If this were truly the problem, I have authorization to provide them privately to the interested parties involved.
But .... will this be? I cannot have the certainty, because to date the only certain thing is that I have not been communicated nothing as much as you already know.
See you on the next episode
Re: Orbit account suspended
Oh yes you can bet that it's all true, 1.01@ is big values that I would not offer you hahaha.schollionär wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2023 5:48 pmThank you for the explanation of what you where doing. I tend to believe it (if that matters for anyone). So, if it's like that, we have a serious problem with orbit, if they first flag you as loser and then when variance hits them, giving you the red card and probably making up some story. If stories like this coming up more regularly in the near future, this will back-fire on them heavily.pkpunter wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2023 5:22 pmI would like to add that if this was the motivation, when it happened to me in career, to "weigh a hand" wrong, I have always paid my choices, re -evaluated and went on.
As I think should do a professional in front of a customer who has always behaved regularly.
Moreover, I am absolutely not certain that there was value in the long term from orbit/fair on that market, still present on Betfair.uk indeed, but clearly with minors liquidities, it could have been simply a negative variance that we are all destined to suffer .. . Even the best (small off topic)
Apart from that even if your story is not the (whole) truth their lack of transparency is a problem for its own.
I can post here all wanting bet for bet both from Orbit (if it does not spend too much time and the Max chronology three months is not canceled) and from my locals, as for winnings above 2000 euros you must make a documented anti -recycling money procedure here in Italy .
I don't think it is appropriate to publish my winnings at the Locals for a privacy issue, numerous have been made in agencies that report their address on the ticket.
If this were truly the problem, I have authorization to provide them privately to the interested parties involved.
But .... will this be? I cannot have the certainty, because to date the only certain thing is that I have not been communicated nothing as much as you already know.
See you on the next episode
-
