its not that simple if you dont know anything about programming. Youtube is full of tutorials how to write different Python codes for scraping different websites.Value Punter wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 6:25 pmI can give an example:Mete wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 12:16 amCan you help with the data scraping process? I want to build myself one too as the services are too expensive and their odds are already gone usually, however I do not have much information about that. Would be so happy if you could help a brother out.Littletroll1 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2023 1:28 pm
There is no issues with it, as I built it myself and do supervision on it every day. I even use 2 independent odds feeds to eliminate delays/errors. I don't bet on any low liquidity markets, only soccer and tennis.
Lets say you want odds and live event data from soccer. Then I would
1. Browse to bet365.com
2. Open up the "web developer tools" windows in firefox, similar developer tool exist in chromium forks, alternatively use Fiddler to sniff packets.
3. Filter XHR and Websocket connections and review them to find out if the response contains JSON, if so prettify it and review the data else continue looking up the request/response data sent between the bookmaker and your machine (browser), with the objective to decipher odds and event data.
4. When you've a clear picture of how and what data is being provided and can partially simulate whatever the browser does then you can 'scrape it'
Step 3 requires some understanding of protocols, data structures, web-based authentication, client/server paradigm, and preferably some basic knowledge of javascript (not necessary though). Either way you need to know some programming language to execute step 4.
I dont know of any point and click web-scraping tools, which accepts a configuration as input and outputs desired scrapped data (maybe I should create one and SaaS, such a solution!)
Pinnacle lean gone?
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Anyway, good luck! You will figure it out with time.
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It not simple but it’s highly deterministic, compared to modeling sports event and therefore the curve to master is not as steep as sport event modeling. The former has a ground truth and web developer tools allows one to experiment out-of-the-box from a web browser while in latter you are forced to write simulation tools to do back testing which does not have come with any true ground truth.GNMbg wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 12:05 amits not that simple if you dont know anything about programming. Youtube is full of tutorials how to write different Python codes for scraping different websites.Value Punter wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 6:25 pmI can give an example:
Lets say you want odds and live event data from soccer. Then I would
1. Browse to bet365.com
2. Open up the "web developer tools" windows in firefox, similar developer tool exist in chromium forks, alternatively use Fiddler to sniff packets.
3. Filter XHR and Websocket connections and review them to find out if the response contains JSON, if so prettify it and review the data else continue looking up the request/response data sent between the bookmaker and your machine (browser), with the objective to decipher odds and event data.
4. When you've a clear picture of how and what data is being provided and can partially simulate whatever the browser does then you can 'scrape it'
Step 3 requires some understanding of protocols, data structures, web-based authentication, client/server paradigm, and preferably some basic knowledge of javascript (not necessary though). Either way you need to know some programming language to execute step 4.
I dont know of any point and click web-scraping tools, which accepts a configuration as input and outputs desired scrapped data (maybe I should create one and SaaS, such a solution!
Anyway, good luck! You will figure it out with time.
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My profits has been minor since September. Don't know if it is because of variance, me experimenting, bad market conditions and so on.Littletroll1 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 12:18 pmHas any other valuebettors noticed that the Pinnacle lean is almost gone? They are not as sharp as they used to be and for the past 5-6 months I have maybe made 0.05% profit on turnover. This is over more than 50.000 livebets, so there is no variance in it. Before that I used to make 1-2% on turnover.
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Pinnacle is exhausted by sharp action.
As I said several times, the failure of several exchanges and bookmakers to serve the smart betting money properly, resulted in the concentration of sharp action in Pinnacle. Their lines of defence are tested.
As I said several times, the failure of several exchanges and bookmakers to serve the smart betting money properly, resulted in the concentration of sharp action in Pinnacle. Their lines of defence are tested.
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My case, after some "weak" years, it seems 2023 Pinnacle is doing well (no bots, only manual arbitrage and 90% prematch) red box: 2023, blue box: 2022, green box: 2021
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Because they have been the market leader for so long, and are already being copied by so many soft books, they are now being bet on purposefully in the wrong direction.
This means, that they are effectively being paid to post soft prices.
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I think that Pinnacle is in a bit of a unique position, though.
Because they have been the market leader for so long, and are already being copied by so many soft books, they are now being bet on purposefully in the wrong direction.
This means, that they are effectively being paid to post soft prices.
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