Arbusers

Just a thought. When I started betting 20 years ago, I earned more than ten times the average salary in my country, and now I don't even earn an average salary. Fortunately, I have some investments that bring me money.

I make your words mine Trevorr
10 years ago I did 10x more than I do now
I currently make 1 minimum wage, when I used to make 10
And I have to try 5x harder...

Trevorr wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 12, 2023 6:14 pm

Just a thought. When I started betting 20 years ago, I earned more than ten times the average salary in my country, and now I don't even earn an average salary. Fortunately, I have some investments that bring me money.

what is the reason? the markets are too small for your bets ? or they are too sharp for the strategies now? Are you arbitrage betting or what?

Aneliya Angelova wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 12, 2023 4:29 pm

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Actually I am surprised by the liquidity for some South American leagues...
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In case of insufficient liquidity for your South American soccer markets, you can always use Pinnacle and various Asian agencies. Especially ISN. Let's say that in some legendary Asian agencies, three- and four-figure bets are offered even in the lower divisións and re-bets are also accepted.
Hope that helps.

But beware - although the various elite divisións in South America are well covered in terms of data, there is a lack of sufficient info and data about the lower divisións, which greatly complicates their correct statistical modeling (in order to compile our own market odds and avoid suspicious events).

arb12 wrote: ↑

Sun Aug 13, 2023 8:27 am

Aneliya Angelova wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 12, 2023 4:29 pm

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Actually I am surprised by the liquidity for some South American leagues...
...

In case of insufficient liquidity for your South American soccer markets, you can always use Pinnacle and various Asian agencies. Especially ISN. Let's say that in some legendary Asian agencies, three- and four-figure bets are offered even in the lower divisións and re-bets are also accepted.
Hope that helps.

But beware - although the various elite divisións in South America are well covered in terms of data, there is a lack of sufficient info and data about the lower divisións, which greatly complicates their correct statistical modeling (in order to compile our own market odds and avoid suspicious events).

I do use Pinnacle when there is lack of liquidity for Brazilian markets and MLS for example. I gather my own data for the teams, players etc. There are lots of opportunities to exploit the market inefficiencies, but to find them you need to put in the work.. and most people prefer easier methods I guess

Aneliya Angelova wrote: ↑

Sun Aug 13, 2023 9:53 am

arb12 wrote: ↑

Sun Aug 13, 2023 8:27 am

Aneliya Angelova wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 12, 2023 4:29 pm

...
Actually I am surprised by the liquidity for some South American leagues...
...

In case of insufficient liquidity for your South American soccer markets, you can always use Pinnacle and various Asian agencies. Especially ISN. Let's say that in some legendary Asian agencies, three- and four-figure bets are offered even in the lower divisións and re-bets are also accepted.
Hope that helps.

But beware - although the various elite divisións in South America are well covered in terms of data, there is a lack of sufficient info and data about the lower divisións, which greatly complicates their correct statistical modeling (in order to compile our own market odds and avoid suspicious events).

I do use Pinnacle when there is lack of liquidity for Brazilian markets and MLS for example. I gather my own data for the teams, players etc. There are lots of opportunities to exploit the market inefficiencies, but to find them you need to put in the work.. and most people prefer easier methods I guess

You're right, everyone has their own methods. I prefer a lot of work, monstrous work, to the easy way. The differences are obvious.
Because of your accent on gathering data on teams, players, etc., let me mention some possibilities in South America and MLC:
- The Brasil Série A - Many well-known particularities of Jorge Sampaoli's tactical style for years plus the advantages and disadvantages of the Flamengo team.
- Internationals - Same as above, but included in the statistical model Marcelo Bielsa and the Uruguay team respectively. Lots of future work here. In the domestic leagues of various countries, Bielsa's tactical work has been extremely helpful in building probabilities for the Asian Handicap markets, but here in Uruguay... It has been a long time since he worked for Argentina and Chile's national teams. Therefore, almost zero Stats at that level, but the coaching style is unchanged yet.
- Particularities of "Tata" Martino. I remember exactly why he failed at Barça with Messi & Co. Did he realize his errors? Let's see Inter Miami now, ten years later, Martino, Messi, Busquets, Alba...

It's a real shame how much power bookmakers have and how much they make our lives difficult (And getting away with it)
Transforming our industry and those who depend on it working on a drip

TjTaker wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 14, 2023 12:34 pm

It's a real shame how much power bookmakers have and how much they make our lives difficult (And getting away with it)
Transforming our industry and those who depend on it working on a drip

thats is normal behavior from the soft bookies... they want to rob people and hate it when someone exploits their inefficient odds. Thats why I trust only the exchanges (the licensed ones, not Orbit, Piwi, etc.) and the American bookies that accept winners - Pinnacle, 5Dimes and few others. But yeah, its hard to avoid getting limited with the rest of the bookmakers... you need multiple accounts and some other tricks.

even using tricks and friends placing bets on their accounts the whole thing is just not worth the time anymore.

as the years have passed and inflation increases the bookies limits go down and down............the soft bookies have finally realised that there is no point in them taking 4 figure bets because it is just a responsible gambling and AML headache for them...............now they realise the game is just very small limits to fools having their 10euro football multiples and thats where the future for them lies............it was fun while it lasted

treblepop wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 14, 2023 2:36 pm

even using tricks and friends placing bets on their accounts the whole thing is just not worth the time anymore.

as the years have passed and inflation increases the bookies limits go down and down............the soft bookies have finally realised that there is no point in them taking 4 figure bets because it is just a responsible gambling and AML headache for them...............now they realise the game is just very small limits to fools having their 10euro football multiples and thats where the future for them lies............it was fun while it lasted

you should try trading on the exchanges if you think you cant make more money with arbitrage/sure bets. There are many strategies for horses, football and tennis , both live and pre-match.. even better if you can get a real betfair account and use software like BetAngel or GeeksToy

"Bookmakers limits go down and down... the soft bookies have finally realised that there is no point in them taking 4 figure bets because it is just a responsible gambling and AML headache for them
Now they realise the game is just very small limits to fools having their 10 euro football multiples and thats where the future for them lies"

I wouldn't say better
Unfortunately that's the trend and what will happen in the future
For me and the ones who make their living from arbitrage betting we are doomed

TjTaker wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 14, 2023 5:44 pm

"Bookmakers limits go down and down... the soft bookies have finally realised that there is no point in them taking 4 figure bets because it is just a responsible gambling and AML headache for them
Now they realise the game is just very small limits to fools having their 10 euro football multiples and thats where the future for them lies"

I wouldn't say better
Unfortunately that's the trend and what will happen in the future
For me and the ones who make their living from arbitrage betting we are doomed

thats why I am saying you need to focus on trading on the Exchanges - horses, football, tennis etc... most of you are smart enough to make it work

Even if you master exchange trading and you treat it like a business, you are going to have inconsistent months
And I doubt you can make 10,000€+/month like I made it, with arbing...

Aneliya Angelova wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 14, 2023 6:52 pm

TjTaker wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 14, 2023 5:44 pm

"Bookmakers limits go down and down... the soft bookies have finally realised that there is no point in them taking 4 figure bets because it is just a responsible gambling and AML headache for them
Now they realise the game is just very small limits to fools having their 10 euro football multiples and thats where the future for them lies"

I wouldn't say better
Unfortunately that's the trend and what will happen in the future
For me and the ones who make their living from arbitrage betting we are doomed

thats why I am saying you need to focus on trading on the Exchanges - horses, football, tennis etc... most of you are smart enough to make it work

yes its possible ....... but the markets with the big edges have little to no liquidity and the high liquidity markets are such a tight margin.........tough to beat them even with millions turnover and lots of work......... when you compare to other investment options outside gambling its not worth it

treblepop wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 14, 2023 9:18 pm

Aneliya Angelova wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 14, 2023 6:52 pm

TjTaker wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 14, 2023 5:44 pm

"Bookmakers limits go down and down... the soft bookies have finally realised that there is no point in them taking 4 figure bets because it is just a responsible gambling and AML headache for them
Now they realise the game is just very small limits to fools having their 10 euro football multiples and thats where the future for them lies"

I wouldn't say better
Unfortunately that's the trend and what will happen in the future
For me and the ones who make their living from arbitrage betting we are doomed

thats why I am saying you need to focus on trading on the Exchanges - horses, football, tennis etc... most of you are smart enough to make it work

yes its possible ....... but the markets with the big edges have little to no liquidity and the high liquidity markets are such a tight margin.........tough to beat them even with millions turnover and lots of work......... when you compare to other investment options outside gambling its not worth it

youtube.com/watch?v=7Jc_-eKTzvM this is one of the best videos on the subject. Betfair markets are efficient and even betting blindly , if you use the same stake, you will break even or lose a tiny amount of money in the long run. The gap one needs to overcome in order to start making profit is not that huge in the end.