Arbusers

kosmar mar wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 06, 2023 1:22 pm

my dream is to be my own boss,

Thats what drives most of the entrepreneurs. But there is one risk. Once you are your own boss its very difficult to return to a normal job.
I know a lot of guys who started arbing had some success and now they dont have success anymore. Their savings are going down and at the same time they are at an age where its very difficult to find a job.
If you go full time arbing and become your own boss you should have a lot of success at it, so that when you end it, you have enough money to start your own business.
Being in a job is practically getting experience and getting paid for it. I dont see why most of the guys see it as the end of the world. You should not be getting experience in a job till you retire, but you can do it till you are maybe 30 or something.
And than be your own boss with lots of experiences and connections to other people you have worked with.

Speaking of the "What the f*ck is going on?" - I think the biggest cause of all these problems with limits is us, i.e., our competition with each other. It must be super obvious to a bookie that the player is doing arbing/value betting when suddenly lots of people place large stakes on the same bet at almost the same time interval. There used to be more dumb money in the system and that allowed us to hide for longer but apparently that's not the case anymore. Also maybe the rise of bot betting is another big reason why limits come much faster these days.

I think all major alert services have an obligation to make changes in their software and start showing unique arbs/value bets to customers so that we don't place the same bets like crazy... but I am almost 100% sure that they won't do anything about it, they only care about getting as many subscriptions as possible. It can't last forever though, we have to look for new methods and strategies and stop relying on those primitive tools like alert services. Those who find new ways will be able to make a lot of money but others will stay behind.

Wolfie wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 06, 2023 2:01 pm

kosmar mar wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 06, 2023 1:22 pm

my dream is to be my own boss,

Thats what drives most of the entrepreneurs. But there is one risk. Once you are your own boss its very difficult to return to a normal job.
I know a lot of guys who started arbing had some success and now they dont have success anymore. Their savings are going down and at the same time they are at an age where its very difficult to find a job.
If you go full time arbing and become your own boss you should have a lot of success at it, so that when you end it, you have enough money to start your own business.
Being in a job is practically getting experience and getting paid for it. I dont see why most of the guys see it as the end of the world. You should not be getting experience in a job till you retire, but you can do it till you are maybe 30 or something.
And than be your own boss with lots of experiences and connections to other people you have worked with.

wolfie what you say is true, I believe that this historical moment is not an excellent moment to start in this sector (not that it is impossible but to start now you need to have great success) however there is a consideration in many who start today and stop at the first hurdle they quit immediately without investing time and studying. Are you still in full-time betting?

I am replying a lot to this thread because i dont want this forum to become just a complaining place. I have extracted a lot of value from this forum and i would like new guys to do the same.
So instead of complaining we should have a problem solution mindset. Yes we should post problems but with the intention to find solutions and new methods. Not just getting our emotions out of the system.
The opportunities in this industry are closing one by one for sure.
But new countries are emerging especially LATAM.
In USA there are some opportunities too.
Shop betting is still doing good profits in some EU countries.
Bots that did not exist 6 months ago are there to make a profit for those who have the resources.
For most of us, this opportunities are not valid but still there are millions of people who can profit from this.
What i personally do is Time and Capital allocation. If some opportunity that is worth more comes up, I automatically dump one of the projects which is worth less for the same time and capital allocation. For the moment i am very little involved in sports betting. This mindset means that if something good comes up, i can get more involved.
So keep the doors open, but chose wisely which doors to enter.

TjTaker wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 10, 2023 7:17 pm

Good afternoon to everybody
Some of you might know me, I'm a longtime member here on the forum
I've been doing my operations in my corner and making a living from it
This is has always been my passion and modesty aside I am quite good at what I do
Every day I study and I fucking enjoy it
Lately I've noticed that the profits I'm making are significantly lower than a few years ago
Today, bookmakers are more aware of the mistakes they make
The number of surebets and the % of them is getting smaller year after year
The maximum stakes we can bet on are an authentic joke, often not reaching 100€ (In the main bookies)
I'm getting limited in a matter of hours, not even in 1 day...
The lines are changing extremely fast in live (My speciality)
The regulations too.... They kill almost everything they touch
What the fuck is going on?
And I'm only talking about arbing
Not that valuebetting shit
I used to make more than 10,000€ a month, and today I make 1000/2000€ and I have to work twice as much
Apart from the headaches I've been having with so much implication from the "reputable" bookmakers
Our industry is dying and in 5/10 years from now it will no longer be possible to make a living from this
This makes me sad and angry

it's happening that the fun is running out. I don't know what next year will be like but I see it as very very very hard. in Italy in the meantime eurobet sisal goldbet intralot snai have gotten smarter as for the pre-game valuebet, bet365 time 6 months he too will get smarter and smarter

Where are you from Wolfie?
And Franceso I suppose... Italy

I would like to be more positive, but you must understand the seriousness of the situation
Currently with arbing I make 10x less than I did 5 years ago
And I have all the resources to do a successful job plus I know very well what I'm doing
It's a giant difference....
I love this, and being without my profession is like getting stabbed

TjTaker wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 06, 2023 4:06 pm

Where are you from Wolfie?
And Franceso I suppose... Italy

I would like to be more positive, but you must understand the seriousness of the situation
Currently with arbing I make 10x less than I did 5 years ago
And I have all the resources to do a successful job plus I know very well what I'm doing
It's a giant difference....
I love this, and being without my profession is like getting stabbed

I really stopped betting since yesterday. I'm done with betting because in my opinion the game is no longer valid. 4 years ago when I started my journey with only one id, that is mine, I initially earned 800/1000 euros a month with only 3000 euros of capital and for 1 year I earned that amount only with my id. my bad luck and that I have always spent my earnings from sports betting in entertainment because I thought the race was not over hahahaha. until 2021 things were going well for me between ups and downs. after 2021 serious problems came

Now instead of 1000€ per month with 3000€ capital you make 300€ per montg (And I'm being positive)

In 5/10 years from now, arbing will be a fairy tale from the past

TjTaker wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 17, 2023 9:30 am

I read all the gambling act in the uk
The affordability checks are so bad that it becames comical
125£ in a month and 500£ in a year
I just need 2 seconds to wager that
With more detailed credit-check-like measures for those spending 1,000£ a day

hey guys

how bad are the new affordability checks really? could we please hear the experience from someone betting in UK?

what happens when you reach 125£?

I'm guessing they ask for documents, what about after you provide them, is your account likely to get limited?

any input from UK smart bettors is appreciated

thanks in advance

the situation is now even though these new rules have not officially started, some big operators do full credit check on sign up for new account to see if person is bankrupt or has court order and account willl be closed within hours.

company like bet365 already has 1k daily limit for deposit and 5k per month for all uk account, document needed to raise the limit

most bookies you can lose a few thousand and they will then ask for documents of financial nature

thank you treblepop, I appreciate it

How are you dealing with this treblepop?
"The situation is now very though
These new rules (affordability checks) have big operators doing full credit checks on sign up for new accounts to see if person is bankrupt or has court order and account willl be closed within hours.
Company like Bet365 already has 1k daily limit for deposit and 5k per month for all UK accounts, document needed to raise the limit...
Most bookies you can lose a few thousand and they will then ask for documents of financial nature."

What have you done to overcome this?
Have you noticed a big difference in your monthly profit?
Do you think all of this crap will be applied to other countries?
I ask you and anyone who wants to answer this

i think the best solution i use, though it is not easy to find and requires a good network........ is to find a semi-famous rich person with strong public persona, like a footballer in a lower league or similar..... they can place the bets for you and the bookmaker can easily find online this person has money and will likely be good customer so they can bet with no request for documents....... or you need friends who have good money and happy to place bets for you and submit documents if bookie asks......... but lets be real that no intelligent person wants to send private documents to a bookmaker of all people

If the person shows the origin of wealth to the bookie and the person is rich, but their public information is not accessible to bookmakers, do you think this could allow bookmakers to release greater amounts availabe to bet and the account to have a slightly longer permanence, comparable to other people (Less rich) or even people with a strong public persona?

treblepop wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 27, 2023 9:22 am

i think the best solution i use, though it is not easy to find and requires a good network........ is to find a semi-famous rich person with strong public persona, like a footballer in a lower league or similar..... they can place the bets for you and the bookmaker can easily find online this person has money and will likely be good customer so they can bet with no request for documents....... or you need friends who have good money and happy to place bets for you and submit documents if bookie asks......... but lets be real that no intelligent person wants to send private documents to a bookmaker of all people

None of this will work.
The bookmaker needs the checks as a fig leaf to limit and in the end deny services to anyone with a slight chance to be a winner in the long run. Do they care if the client is a public persona? Well, they really don't. Would they offer services to a footballer? Probably not, as the footballer has certain restrictions on gambling because he is a footballer. And what about the rich friend? He too will be limited the minute they realise he will be a winner.